Marciano vs Holyfield

We never saw Marciano withstand the attacks of powerful and talented big men such as Bowe or Louis. We did see him go life and death with some far smaller foes. The one-punch power people point to with Marciano simply wasn't the usual from him. He typically clubbed his foes whilst eating punshiment to some degree.

Both have proven themselves. Both got off the deck to retain their titles. Both are IMO, all-time greats, but they are both from vastly different eras and were forged each in a different furnace.

I'm not convinced that Holyfield would stop Marciano or try to slug with him, just as I'm not convinced that Marciano would have a target squared-up in front of him allowing for extended exchanges.

Try as I might, I simply cannot imagine Marciano winning an encounter with a seasoned and focused Holyfield.

 

agreed:rasta

 

Without the roids, Holy probably wouldn't have even amounted to a cruiser

Marciano starches Holy inside of ten. Holy isn't a top 20 HW regardless of time frame.

 

I will not consider Holyfiled on a level puncher as Marciano UNTIL he leaves a foe in this shape after a fight. For Marciano, this is pretty common.

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Holyfiled never did this much damage. So I dont see were the Holyfiled hit harder arguement is comeing from.

 

get off the crack and your biase dude. Marciano is a joke when it comes to fighting primed great heavyweights....he never did. Charles, Moore,Louis, and Walcott were all past 30 and all had seen better days. His record is inflated and he wouldnt have been ranked in the top ten if he fought in the 90's....fighting guys like Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, an OLD Foreman, Moorer, and Bowe.

 

did Marciano ever fight fighters like a prime Bowe, Tyson, Lewis, and Holyfield in his prime????? Looking at that pic if he did, he'd look just like that guy in this picture....he is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too overrated by you cocksuckers....he fought in a weak era and struggled against every elite fighter he fought....and guess what....they were all past prime.

 

I've always wondered, in these hypothetical matchups, do you place both fighters in the same era, with all things being fair, and letting the guy from the earlier period have the benefit of modern training and the like? Or do you put the guy from the more modern period back in the days of old before such modern methods? Either way, you have to factor in both men at their very best, whenever that was in both fighter's cases. I believe that Marciano would have won similarly to the way he defeated Ezzard Charles the first time, that is via a hard fought 15 round decision. That's by factoring all advantages of both men's absolute primes, with the best of both guy's training methods in both their era's being equated.

 

At what age did Walcott reach his prime? Incidentally, the Walcott that fought Marciano in their first fight would have sent Tyson home crying to momma in round 5.

 

Yes Roland LarSarza, Harry Kid Matthews, Rex Layne. As Prime as can be, all in there 20's.

Holyfiled did not fight a prime Tyson., or even a prime Lewis, as a 35 year old Lewis beat Holyfiled. And Holyfiled beat a past it Tyson.
I think Walcott, Charles and Archie Moore were better fighters at the time they fought Marciano, than Tyson was when he lost to Holyfiled. Tyson lost his speed and head movement.

Bowe is way over rated imo. 2 wins over Holyfiled does not make Bowe a great, like Schmeling beat Louis or Meehan beat Dempsey.

 

This is a well thought out post. Although I don't agree with roids being used, as Holy no doubt did/does, that doesn't take away from the thrust of your statement all that much. :good

 

Amazing a morgue didn't end up with a new client

 

You know people always talk Louis, Moore, and Charles when talking Marciano. Tyson would have kayoed all 3 of them. Walcott was 38, Louis was 37, ChARLES was 32 and nearing 100 pro fights, and Moore was over 40.....Tyson would have done the same thing to those past prime greats as Marciano did. I never said Bowe was great but IMO he beats the undersized, overrated Marciano.

 

So a guy you don't think is great is capable of beating who is, without a doubt, one of the ATG HWs?

All real experts will rank Marciano in their top 10.

 

Marciano is in my top ten but im sure you've watched boxing long enough to know styles make fights. You dont have to be great to beat a great fighter....was Iran Barkley great???? He beat Hearns twice who is an ATG....Is Esteban Dejesus an ATG??? He beat a prime Duran...Randy Turpin beat a 29 year old Sugar Ray Robinson...the list goes on. Bowe is a highly skilled man of statuesque build, at 6'5" 240 lbs....could fight inside, outside, had a great Beard, never stopped, showed heart, and also had a good jab....he often came in less than peak condition, but on both of their best nights, he beats Marciano, a fighter far less skilled, a half foot shorter and 50 pounds lighter....styles make fights

 

Care to name your 20 (or more?) ahead of him? Not top 20 my arse