Marciano vs. Norton

In a time machine, I would certainly add "Johnson & Louis." But I would exclude Jack Dempsey................. "Dempsey vs. Marciano" in a time machine would be a war.... Too close to call there........... Pretty evenly matched as well............ I'd pick Marciano over Dempsey.....
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MR.BILL

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Had Joe Louis been the man of 1940 instead of 1951 when he fought Marciano in New York, he would've had the youth and reserve to fend Marciano off and KO his ass...... Or at least carve Marciano up like a bird on a silver platter..... Christ, Louis was doin' good in '51 for about 6 rds..........

 

In 1970, Norton himself was only around 200 pounds..... Plus, back in '70, Norton was green as the grass is in the Spring..... Norton weighed an even 200 pounds for Ali in March of 1973 down in San Diego..... Norton was 205 for the rematch in Los Angeles and 217 pounds of muscle for the '76 rubber match.....
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MR.BILL

 

That could be me.?.? BUT! I'm realistic about this..... The '77 Ali who slipped by Earnie Shavers in New York was still great.... Yes, his reflexes had faded and his legs had slown, but Ali still had his hand speed and chin intact...... In my book, The fight with Shavers was Ali's last true epic effort in the ring to be praised as great....... That was 1977............ Come '78, I thought Ali and Leon Spinks put on a couple of stink fights..... Ali's regaining of the title in Sept. of 1978 was historical, but the fight was a borefest......
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MR.BILL

 

The fight with Jonesy in '63 is too knit-picky for me.... I just taped that fight off ESPN...... Ali got rocked early in round one, but Ali was pretty much in control.... The fact that Ali predicted he'd stop Jones also made him look bad........ But Ali won a UD decision by a wide margin......
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MR.BILL

 

When Norton beat Garcia, he was no longer in the top 10, I checked in my Boxing Registar 4th edition

 

Ali would have predicted he would stop marciano in 4, you don't think that would have fueled the rockys fire?

 

Bottom line.

Ali strugled with a few good but not great fighters who had a style and size similar to Marciano.

He lost to a great fighter (Frazier) who had a similar style and was better in some aspects and worse in others.

Why would any sensible person asume that Ali was going to have an easy time with Marciano.

If he won he would have to walk through his own personal hell. Chuvalo made him **** blood and Marciano would have made him **** a bit of his life escence like Frazier did.

 

A few? For me, only Chuvalo fits this description and I wouldn't say Ali struggled with him really.

Norton and Jones was also stalker types and Norton was awkward, but otherwise they didn't have that much in common with Marciano.

Yeah, it would be tough.

 

I'm not saying that Ali would have an easy time with Marciano at all........ Marciano's conditioning would certainly help him through a fight with Ali... But I do think the Ali prior to 1977 still had enough skill and savy and spryness left over to school Marciano, and be well ahead on points going down the stretch of a 10, 12 or 15 rounder..... If the fight were a 15 rounder, I see Ali very possibly scoring a late rd. TKO over Marciano by way of cuts...... If Marciano wasn't a typical bleeder like some suggest, that would change with Ali.....

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Nobody had ever seen Sonny Liston sliced and diced above and below the eyes and drooling blood from the mouth until he fought Clay / Ali in Miami in '64........ Cheers...

 

Norton was a definant unsung champ, but rocky's record is undeniable, rocky in 6.

 

****in' A. Skippy!:good

SR.BILLARDO:hat

 

OKAY! I give up........... Marciano KO's Norton inside of 7 rds................ I'll buy into it..... I will...... I swear.......... But I will need a bottle of Pepto Bismol to settle the stomach a tad.......

As for Rocco Marciano beating an in-shape Clay / Ali from 1964 to 1976----NEVER! And I'm not talkin' bout the Ali who fought "Buster Mathis" or "Jimmy Young" from the 70s, either..... I'm talkin' bout the Ali who fought / boxed Frazier in '74 / '75 and the Ali who stopped Foreman in the jungle.......... Also, the Ali who toyed with Jerry Quarry 2X...... Marciano has very little chance against that version of the 70s Ali.......... Cheerio......

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YES! I am a self admitted Ali jock-sniffer...... I'm guilty of it......... I'm not ashamed....

 

For the record, my THREE all-time favorite fighters are: Roberto Duran, Muhammad Ali & a prime Raymond Leonard..... The post '87 Leonard was a major egotistical *******...... I liked / loved SRL right up until he beat Hagler in 1987...... By the time SRL was fighting Donnie Lalonde, you could see SRL was over-dosing in the spotlight as a promoter / fighter and was only in the BIDNESS for the money....... ALSO! The 5 world title thing is utter bull**** on the part of the boxing world proclaiming SRL to be one officially....

MR.BILL

 

We value your contributions even on the (few) ocasions when they are off base.

 

GOOD!:good

Now, The Ali from '65 thru 1967 was the best and most athletic heavyweight over 200 pounds to this very day.....

MR.BILL