Marciano vs Patterson 1956

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Your comparing bonavena to Marciano. :?:lol:

    Bonavena doesn't come close to comparing to Marciano in punching power finishing ability stamina work rate intangibles


    You say Marciano could be dropped. I say Floyd could be knocked out. He was knocked out by punchers not on marcianos level



    He could fall behind on points. So could Floyd, he lost decisions to lesser fighters than Marciano. Msrciano never lost, Floyd lost several times

    Patterson may have the power to hurt Rocky, but Marciano has the power relentlessness pressure to knock Floyd out anytime. You mention Archie Moore, Marciano kicked the **** out of him


    Watch hurricane Jackson first fight 56, Patterson got nailed often by Jackson, he trouble with Jacksons pressure on the inside. He also couldn't hurt Jackson with his punches, nor stop him from coming inside. Just imagine if that were Marciano instead of Jackson?


    Floyd never beat a fighter with the punching power punching ability stamina style of a Marciano. Floyd could get clocked on the chin and find a place to lay on the canvas. Just like he did vs Liston and Johansson
     
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  2. Dubblechin

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    If they fought three times, that might happen once. Floyd wins the other two.

    Marciano was falling apart by 1956 while Patterson was on the rise.

    Sometimes the guy falling apart can hold on for at least one fight, but not more than one.

    If they fought once, I'd take Floyd.
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

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    No. Floyds not on marcianos level in any sort of way. When he tests marcianos two fisted power, he would lay down
     
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  4. Dubblechin

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    He's not on his level "in any way?" That actually made me laugh out loud.

    Yes, he's exactly on his level.

    You seem to have this idea that Marciano would hit Patterson and he'd go looking for a place to lay down. (Maybe I'm giving you more credit than you deserve.)

    Patterson was always up at the end - whether against Liston, Johansson or Ali.

    He never looked for a place to lay down. They couldn't keep him down.

    What an odd thing to say from a guy who is supposedly an expert on 50s heavyweights. :roll:
     
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    Harris is still alive, hotshot.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

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    And Rocky never beat a 21-year-old Olympic Gold Medalist who could make one of the best guys he (Rocky) beat look like a slow, chinny old man.

    Then again, that's probably how Rocky would've looked, too, during most of the fight. :hi:
     
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  7. SuzieQ49

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    Floyds on his level? Then why do most rate Marciano as an all time great top ten heavyweight, while they don't rate Floyd as top 20 all time?

    Liston kept Patterson down. Twice. Full ten counts.

    As an expert on 50s heavyweights, I can assure you Marciano would have knocked out Patterson. Patterson did not have the chin to sustain punishment from Marciano for 10 rounds, let alone 15 rounds
     
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  8. Dubblechin

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    And watch the Patterson-Moore fight of 1956, and just imagine that's Rocky Marciano getting dropped face first to the floor with a single shot.

    In fact, listen to the commentary of Marciano on that Patterson-Moore fight and how impressed Rocky was of how dynamic Floyd had become.

    The winner ... and THE NEW heavyweight champion of the world ... Floyd Patterson

    Patterson W15.
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

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    Rocky knocked out better men than a 1956 Floyd Patterson

    Archie Moore was arguably floyds best win

    Floyd got knocked out by heavyweights who were nowhere near as good as Marciano :good

    Once Patterson realized he was inside the ring with boxings ultimate animal, he would not have lasted long. Floyd would have been knocked out by Marciano then exited the arena in a fake beard.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

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    He didn't knock them out in 1956, though, did he?

    The Rocky with the surgically repaired nose, the scar tissue over the eyes, the bad back ... the not wanting to train ... the guy boozing it up with Zsa Zsa Gabor and hanging out with celebs.

    In 1956, Rocky himself didn't think he could do it anymore.

    You're imagining some guy at his best.

    I'm imagining the guy who admitted he didn't want to do it anymore for all the reasons stated in this thread.

    If you wanted the "best" Rocky against Patterson, you shouldn't have said 1956.

    Frankly, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he could even go 15 rounds and not bleed out against the guy who succeeded him as the best heavyweight in the world.
     
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  11. SuzieQ49

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    Floyd would have gotten bullied and battered by Marciano..plain and simple. Floyd can't take marcianos bombs for more than 10 rounds..doesn't have the durability
     
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  12. SuzieQ49

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    So you pick a prime Marciano to beat Floyd?


    Rocky said in 56 he had two or three good fights left. So he did think he had something left. He nearly made a comeback in 1960
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    Dibble him

    Watch hurricane Jackson vs Floyd 56. Watch at how much trouble jacksons non stop punching swarming style gave to Floyd. Can you imagine if that were Marciano in there and not Jackson?
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    Marciano had trouble getting off a sofa in 1956. I don't know how durable you think he was at that point.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    He didn't "nearly" make a comeback.

    He went to the gym to train and found out he had "NOTHING" left.

    Here's Rocky Marciano in 1960. You'll find him at the 1:40 mark. I don't even know if he could beat up everyone in that room, let alone the top heavyweights.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6WqBXpX88

    He didn't either. That's why he didn't return.
     
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