Marciano VS the 2 Lennox Lewis conquerors

Nearly page twenty in another totally unfair braindead Marciano thread???

I thought the forum did ocercome the disease?

Ali said everything to talk Frazier down!

Nearly every ATG legend gives Rocky alot of respect and are basically impelled to show that picture outwards. It has NOTHING to do with rational evaluation of what actually happened. What said Briggs when someone asked him about a fight with Walcott? A: "Man, this fellows where different men back then!"

• The avarage weight of 1000+ boxers in Marcianos era was less than the 190lb CW limit, 185lb
• Rocky HW record in the >= 200 HW class is 11 -0 ! You read correct, 11 fights! Forget about athletic 215lb fighters
• Nobody of these 11 - 0 men had less than 10 losses (exept the guys with less than 10 fights....)!
• His record about a HW fighter with a name and record without tons of losses is 1 - 0. And that fighter used to fight around 200 in his prime. It was Louis last fight.
• Hence, how the **** are all this predictions about Rocky vs 225lb fighters made, who made their resume in a matured HW-devision?
• Rocky did not proove to fight in a matured HW devision
• All his opponents did not prove their resume in a matured HW division
• Marciano opponents opponents did not proove their resume in a matured HW devision
• The avarage of Rocky opponents and their opponents is 185lb, which is less than what young Holyfield fought in!
• Rocky so called HW era is not comparable to what fighter since the 60/70 onwards fought in

Give Rockista brain virus no chance!

Worship that marvellous fighter for what he actually did and stop putting him in unfair duells with behemoths, thanks.

 

No 185lb fighter in history could possibly compete with a Lennox Lewis, Bowe, Klitschko, Joshua, Fury

 

I linked Twitter posts from George's account. I said either they thought he was the hardest puncher OR in the top 3 greatest of all time.

Turner trained over 20 world champions, including Wladimir and holyfield though not getting a cutman was stupid. Especially in a generation that will TKO a fight at the slightest sign of a cut. Lou Duva handled 19 champions.

I swear I'm not reznick lol, but I'll try to offer just as much to the community

 

Due to chance, outcomes in reality tend to happen in extremes too. Thats when most accidents happen: Due to low chance. Its a picture of reality as well. For example when a punch by Rahman cought Lewis in the most terrible manner, cousing his head to rotate sidewards and backwards the same time. Thats when tons of blabla and bullshits is generated. The truth about this might be Lewis getting cought 1 in 50 times by a homerun like that, going 100+ rounds with better punchers than Rahman without any trouble.

 

Louis, Dempsey and Marciano would beat Klitschko, Joshua and Fury imo. Idk about Lennox Lewis though, he had monster power and a good jab but a suspect chin.

Also size =/= power in boxing. Size definitely helps, but has diminishing returns.

Who hits harder? Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury? Who hits harder? Earnie Shavers or Chuck Wepner? Who hits harder? Max Beer or Buddy Baer? Who hits harder? Jack Dempsey or Jess Willard?

Punch power is determined by genetics and how your punch form matches your body composition more than size, espeically once you hit that 180lbs mark

 

lol sup mcvey.
You must miss me so much that you're seeing me in other people

Idk this guy. I just read a few of his posts and he seems cool af.
Welcome my dude.

 

I think most missed you, some with more reservations than others.
Now remember, chill pills at the ready!
Welcome back for the second time in two days.lol

 

Interesting argument.
Rocky wasn't getting much attention for these very reasons.
Goldman didn't even go to his early fights, including his first fight in MSG.

He wasn't scouted, and recruited.
He was avoided.
Until he became too good to ignore.

You can't just go out and scout that.

 

Goldman took the bus to Providence to watch Marciano's fight against Jimmy Weeks on August 30th 1948.That was Rocky's 6th fight
Both Weill and Goldman were at Rocky's fight with Gil Cardione in Washington Sept 30th 1948, his 9th fight.Goldman was in his corner for the Dec14th 1948 fight with Gilley Ferron and Weill was in the audience.Ditto the Johnny Pretzie and Artie Donato 1949 fights and those that followed.
Incidentally.
You're wrong about Goldman not going to Marciano's MSG debut an 8 rounder ,and a mis match against Pat Richards, he was there with him , he had Cesar Brion in the main event against Lastarza.

 

You're correct. He was there.
But according to "Corner Man," Goldman "paid very little attention to him."
And it was only when Marciano stepped up in class fighting guys like Shkor and Lastarza that Goldman would spend more time with him.

This wasn't exactly the Cus-Tyson kind of development.

 

Go to the 2:50 mark of the video...

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He thinks Marciano may have been too small.
If only Rockys detractors had half of Stewarts impartiality.

 

"I thought he was physically too small for those guys. Because he wasn't really a heavyweight... exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut up easy, had terrible balance..." That's the exact quote.

 

Yeah, he, Manny Stewart, a training genius said he thinks Marciano was too small.
And said it with a hint of opinionated impartiality.

Refreshing so say the least.

 

QUOTE="reznick, post: 19301313, member: 54206"]You're correct. He was there.
But according to "Corner Man," Goldman "paid very little attention to him."
And it was only when Marciano stepped up in class fighting guys like Shkor and Lastarza that Goldman would spend more time with him.

This wasn't exactly the Cus-Tyson kind of development.[/QUOTE]
I dont know who Corner Man is or where he got his info from, I can only tell you your info is wrong!