Marciano vs the following punchers

a great cruiserweight vs. some heavyweights at this point. He was just too small.

 

Marciano also gets smashed to bits on here, probably more so than he is supported nowadays.

 

Marciano didn't get up and continue fighting immediately, he was buzzed by his own admission, on arising he went towards the ropes to receive a standing count forgetting that it was not in operation in title fights .
By the way Marciano took a 4 count not 2.


I don't put any stock in Shavers size, YOU are the one trumpeting on about sizes. well okay we'll go with that he was 2inches taller and anywhere up to 25lbs heavier with 11 inches reach on him.
You want to talk about him losing to Stallings? How about we discuss Marciano being ready to go against the lightheavyweight journeyman Ted Lowry!

Michael J. Thomas of the Providence Journal wrote, "Marciano did not win the fight. This reporter gave it to Lowry, six rounds to four.”

The crowd of 3,696 booed the decision and some wondered if Lowry had thrown the fight. "There were some questions as to whether Lowry, who had come close to knocking out Marciano in the second, third and fourth rounds, deliberately bogged down in his attack after the fourth stanza," Thomas wrote. "Lowry stopped using his uppercut after the fourth. He went into a shell and only occasionally landed power shots. He seemed to be carrying Marciano."

In his book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times, Russell Sullivan wrote the following:

"It was Lowry, not Marciano, who was on the verge of scoring an early knockout, stinging Marciano with two terrific rights in the first round and then rocking him with two mighty uppercuts in the second. By the fourth, a staggered Marciano seemed just one punch away from being knocked out. But then, inexplicably, Lowry stopped fighting and retreated into a shell despite warnings from the referee to open up and a cascade of boos from the crowd. To many, it appeared that Lowry was deliberately carrying Marciano. Was foul play afoot? Was Lowry getting paid to lose? Or was he merely tiring? Whatever the reason, a revived Marciano managed to rally in the late rounds even though many of his punches missed their mark or lacked force. On the basis of his aggressiveness and constant punching, Marciano won a unanimous decision from the judges. Most observers felt, however, that Lowry should have won."

 

All these fights are prety dangerous for rocky stylistically .i say that rocky beats shavers based on his mediocre chin. You should give rocky 50/50 of chance against Cooney,lyle and wilder because they are not great but still are pretty dangerous for him. Wladimir neither is the type of fighter that i would bet my house on in a fight against rocky but he is huge and got power

 

Well said.

 

50-50 with Dempsey. I'd lean towards Marciano slightly, though he might need to get off the canvas to do so. Would be the most evenly matched and potentially exciting fight here.

Loses to prime Louis, though he'd give him a serious run for his money.

Maybe loses to Liston on cuts. I don't like the thought of the sort of facial damage Liston's jab would do to Rock's face. Might also get KOed. Bad stylistic matchup for him.

Foreman. Rock gets blown out relatively early.

Shavers. I'd actually go with Rocky here, though this could be a career shortening fight. I think Shavers would blow his load early again then get broken down and stopped mid or late rounds.

Wilder. Still active. Wouldn't want to give my opinion just yet.

Wlad. Mismatch. No way Rocky wins even a single round.

Lewis. Likewise.

Cooney is an interesting one, as we never saw Rocky against a truly good big man, certainly not one that could punch like Cooney. Really don't know how this one goes down. There's not enough data.

Lyle could be the dark horse here. He was tough as nails and could punch pretty hard; wasn't afraid to go for it either. Could potentially see Marciano upset here.

 

Dempsey is 50-50 I can make a strong case for both.

Louis is 50-50 Louis is obviously better but you can’t entirely rule Rocky out. I can make a strong case for both.

Liston is 50-50 because Marciano would be very awkward, neutralise the jab, smother inside and hit Sonny more often and harder than anyone else did. However I accept arguments both ways. Sonny was great inside too.

Foreman is 50-50 I accept a strong case either way only because of the Inexperience and stamina issues of prime Foreman. A more seasoned, economical Prime Foreman Would have a 80% advantage ..but did not exist.

Shavers, Marciano beats out of sight.

Wilder, I will reserve judgment until he hangs them up.

Wlad I would agree with what Don Turner says.

Cooney, Marciano beats out of sight.

Lyle, Marciano beats out of sight.

Lewis, has a 65% advantage here for sure. A clever big man with too many assets. I would bet against Rocky but root for him.

 

That Marciano would KO Wlad with the first punch he landed? That's a ridiculous assertion even for a forum troll. It's unacceptable coming from a man who makes his living as a professional trainer.

 

Funny Marciano never lost to any of these guys you criticize him for..and he won every round against Lowry in the rematch.Shavers got embarrassed by bob stalling, never rematcheh him. He got destroyed in one round by an aging Jerry quarry who beat shavers at his own game! He also got knocked out by Ron Stander!

 

It makes about a s much sense as his other"announcements " "cut men are unecessary and a con". "hook and jabs pads are bull****". He talked Holyfield out of having a cut man against Moorer and when he couldn't staunch the bleeding after Evander was cut , Holyfield said he was handicapped by it.The man isn't half as smart as he thinks he is or 25% of the trainer he thinks he is.

 

Laughable

 

I'm not criticizing him I'm just putting straight the idea that he was up fighting at 2 ,he wasn't it was 4 and he himself said he blacked out momentarily.
I'd pick Rocky to beat Shavers but as I said Shavers has a shot, he knocked out and down big durable heavyweights .
Aging Jerry Quarry? He was 28! 11 years younger than Moore was when he knocked down Marciano ,9 years younger than Walcott was when he duplicated the feat and 2 years younger than Lowry was when he had Marciano in trouble and ,according to most judges was robbed of the decision.

 

Age didn’t matter with quarry, Quarry was a raging alcoholic. His very next fight against Jerry Alexander in May 1974, he looked completely shot. Quarry was slipping badly by that point