Marciano vs the following punchers

Quarry was no 4 in1973 when he beat Shavers and Lyle,above him were
61 Ali
2.Frazier
3.Norton

74
1.Foreman
2.Frazier
3.Lyle
4.Bonavena
5.Bugner
6.Norton
Hardly weak lists!



And number 7 in74 !If he was completely shot what does that say about the contenders ranked below him?

 

i think marciano puts holes in them all except for Louis, Liston, Foreman, Lewis.

The ones to favour over him are the Louise brothers

 

Hey, I was only teasing. I think Wlad has the same chance as Lewis, which is 65%. I do think Turner is qualified enough to rate Marcianos chances though. It’s hard to entirely rule out an undefeated great fighter against men who were the surprise victims of knockouts in their prime and that’s why Rocky has a 35% chance of causing an upset.

 

Is Turner as qualified as a proven great trainer such as Emmanuel Steward who stated Rocky ,fought average opposition ,had balance issues ,and was too small for modern heavyweights?

 

I met Manny Steward and really liked him. You can disagree with one over the other but both men had a lifetime in boxing. They both won trainer of the year awards. Both knew boxing inside out. Is one trainer less qualified to an opinion than another? I don’t think so. Steward had a lot of nice things to say about Rocky even in the interview you are quoting. At the end of the day trainers understand their craft, the styles of fighters, the capabilities of a fighter and develop a game plan to suit an individual against another individual whilst motivating and directing them to produce a win. That is their job. Because one was more successful or you prefer the opinion of one over the other dosnt take away from the qualifications of either one of them. They can be equally knowledgeable. It’s all boxing.

 

Watch quarry’s fight with Alexander...just watch

 

Marciano has a 1% chance against Wlad and Lewis at best

 

Bottom line do you take on board what both said or neither?

 

How about his ones with Lyle and Shavers which were in the same year73.Alexander was in74.

 

Unless you can provide evidence quarry suddenly badly declined in a span of 5 months from shavers to Alexander....I’m going to believe they fought the same version

Anyways, it doesn’t matter. Quarry destroyed shavers in 1 round. Shavers lost, badly. He got beat at his own game too. Quarry, while a very good fighter, was not on a peak rocky marcianos level

Shavers isn’t going to try to outbox rocky..he’s going to try to outslug him. Marciano was so much more durable than shavers, had much much better stamina, and much bigger heart...I’ll take that any day in a toe to toe slug out

 

Both. I take on board what both said. Absolutely. Both are worth listening to.

Turner was trained by Charlie Goldman who trained Rocky. He listened to him. Don benefited from that experience. And he was made aware of and understood Rockys capabilities. He got that first hand. Don says he worked with both Klitschkos. He would know something of their capabilities. Whatever opinion he derives from that Experience isn’t he as entitled and as qualified to it as anyone else?

Manny says what he said about Lennox. But he was a salesman too. Of course He was aware of Lennox’s capabilities, his huge strength. And he also had a lifetime of experience and knowledge to draw from. So he is as entitled to what he knew first hand too.

All trainers need to believe a fighter was better under their tuition and that if their fighter can carry out what they tell them they will win every darn time. All the best trainers I have met are like that. This includes Manny and Don. But to be fair to trainers, This is because, in theory, all trainers know what any particular fighter has to do to win any particular fight. The responsibility of carrying that out to the letter is ultimately down to the fighter himself though.

Like I say, in truth I believe Wlad and Lennox deserve a better chance to beat Rocky than Rocky deserves to beat either of them. He’s up against it with those two.

 

I haven't picked Quarry to beat Marciano WTF do you keep going on about him for!

Marciano was so much more durable? When was he ever hit by a puncher like Shavers?
He was dropped by two men, one 37 and one39.
He never faced a good young 200lbs + heavyweight who could bang in his fricking life!

 

Marciano was absolutely more durable than shavers! No question

Shavers was knocked out by medium level punchers and knocked down quite a bit. He also had horrible stamina.

Marciano was floored twice in his life by big punching two hall of famers for quick 2 counts, he was back on his feet right away.

 

Wilder is tall and hits hard, but he is not actually that big.

At 215lbs he is going to be a manageable weight for Marciano to grapple with, and probably not strong enough to impose distance upon him.

Bottom line, he is going to have to show me a lot more, to get the nod here.

Dempsey is just plain wrong for Marciano.

Not greater in my opinion, but wrong for him.

 

I can't find any evidence that Turner was ever trained by Goldman and the dates and their respective where- abouts don't coincide.We know Goldman had Angelo Dundee as his protégé,we also know in two autobiographies Dundee never once mentioned Turner.We know Turner did not retire from boxing until 1969,we also know Goldman died in1968 whenTurner was just 28! I don't say Turner did not have conversations with Goldman , what I do say is Goldman never trained him and he was never his pupil or protégé! I'm calling BS on the rest of it!
Pepe Correa has trained fighters for over 30 years ,do you think he is good?