Marciano vs the following punchers

Look up when Turner left his home town and when he moved to Harlem then compare it to Goldman's death in1968 does it make sense chronologically to you.Important point trained him? Trained him as ,a boxer or a trainer?

 

Seems like both you and Susan are triggered by guys called Don. He explodes irrationally each time Don Cokkell is mentioned and you get hung up with Don Turner.

 

I remember you calling him a great trainer do you?

Here is Larry Holmes take on him.

Then Holmes is on to trainers, specifically Don Turner, Currently with Holyfield. 'Now he’s such a genius? Let me tell you about Don Turner. He don’t know nothing! I come back to the corner and he says, How you feel, champ?' I look at him like he got to be crazy. 'How am I supposed to feel, mother-****er—guy’s hitting me!' I took Don Turner by the shirt. 'Don’t you ever ask a fighter how he feel when he come back to the corner!'"

 

Don is a great trainer though. And Larry is a great fighter. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone can even be right about what they say in the context of when they say it.

However, I absolutely don’t believe it rational to write off a “trainer of the year” who has spent a lifetime in boxing is suddenly “no good” because he gave Larry Holmes the hump. There is a long list of people who gave Larry Holmes the hump. Probably everyone he ever worked with at some point. Professional boxing requires a spirit of the individual to succeed. It’s a tough game and not everything said need be taken at face value.

 

How the hell is Marciano 50-50 against a 1973 foreman? Can’t think of a worse matchup for Marciano.

Liston and Louis are clear cut favorites over Marciano

Lewis only 65%? He was 6’6 250lb with advanced skills, reach, elite power in both hands, and he was an expert at keeping short fighters on the outside. I’d say Marciano has less than a 1% chance...tua and Tyson barely landed a punch in 20 rounds against Lewis

 

I get triggered by you saying cockell earned a title shot over Valdes

 

No I have more a problem with posters hanging on his every word because he said Marciano was the hardest puncher of all time and they are Marciano hero worshippers.
Did Turner assist him when he persuaded Evander to dispense with Ace Marotta his cut man and Holyfield was duly cut and Turner could not stop the bleeding!
Turner has said more dumb things than anyone in boxing I can recall and I include Tyson Fury!
Hook and jab pads are bull**** .
Cut men are a con and a scam.
Marciano would not be in the HOF if he was white.
Andre Ward is an ordinary fighter
Salvador Sanchez was an ordinary fighter.
Floyd Mayweather would have been a 4 round fight back in the day
Emmanuel Steward never improved Lennox Lewis ,he never got any better once he turned pro.
Wlad and Vitali couldn't fight.
Marciano knocks out Wlad with the first punch he lands.

Look them up!
If I, or anyone else made those remarks you would be one of the first to call me an ignorant, no nothing, **** and you would be right!

 

He earned his ranking just like Valdes did. He was chosen over Valdes because commissioner Christenberry decided there “wasnt much between them”. But I know this upsets you so Let’s not dwell on it again.

 

That’s how I remember it too.

 

No you’re wrong. He was chosen because al Weill was afraid Valdes punching power and long reach would open up marcianos nose And cause him problems

Jim Norris had way more power than christenberry. He said “Marciano has to fight Valdes next or no one else”

Al Weill balked


You lose squirt

 

If Steward said that to the public I can understand him talking out of the business side of his mouth.If it was him who persuaded Lewis he didn't need to go to SA early enough to acclimatise himself to the altitude ,and didn't need to be 100% then he was wrong, dead wrong.Prior to the fight Steward would not say to the press," I wish he had done more work,I wish we had gotten here earlier," would he?
Steward is a great trainer I don't think Turner is. WTF, I don't think much of Lou Duva,I think he was often a positive hindrance in a corner. I was more questioning the motives of those who accepted Turner as on a par with Arcel and Futch.
btw The problem with Arcel as far as Larry was concerned was that he couldn't hear him in the corner..

 

Hey Mr. Troll I mean SuzieQ49
How many bouts did Jerry Alexander have?
maybe As many as Joe Quarry?
And you say Quarry was a raging alcoholic?
Seems i'm not the only one , that is so amusing!

 

Ring: February 1975 (Month Ending December 15, 1974)
Champion: Muhammad Ali
1- George Foreman
2- Joe Frazier
3- Ron Lyle
4- Oscar Bonavena
5- Joe Bugner
6- Ken Norton
7- Jerry Quarry
8- Chuck Wepner
9- Henry Clark
10-Larry Middleton
Those Annual Ring ratings conduct of one month (December of that year) February issues of Ring Magazine.

Ring: MAY 1975 (Month Ending March 15, 1975)
Champion: Muhammad Ali
1- George Foreman
2- Joe Frazier
3- Joe Bugner
4- Ken Norton
5- Jerry Quarry
6- Oscar Bonavena
7- Jimmy Young
8- Ron Lyle
9- Chuck Wepner
10-Bunny Johnson

McVey and SuzieQ49 had me convinced they were Experts!
And Experts of what? We Native Americans call Woolhony or EX-EXPERTS!

 

So now Cooney's an alltime great? whers's McVey to give the low down !

 

Here’s what’s interesting. Were charting Marciano against (excluding Dempsey) men that weigh fifteen to forty pounds heavier. Only all time great fighters even merit these conversations so it’s not if a rocky was great but how he matches up against other weight classes. Say Duran against all time great welters thru light heavyweights.