Marciano vs the following punchers

Lmao at the Marciano haters. He beats them all except Foreman Lewis. To early for a fair Wilder read yet. Also puts up a much better showing then Frazier. Most underestimated champ all time! Underestimated before his career during and after. His height was an advantage not a disadvantage because he game planned it that way.

 

For the record also love joe Frazier

 

What’s also ironic is I see people using the excuse that Marciano was knocked down (was up at 2 and dazed till 4) by Moore (record holder for most KOs) as a valid reason he’d lose. Yet Marciano holds the highest KO percentage of all fighters listed and ironically was the only one (exception of wilder early) never knocked out.

 

Frazier-Marciano is my dream fight. Suzie Q against the left hook. Both guys throwing 80 punches a round for 15. The undefeated man against the winner of the fight of the century.

 

Dempsey 50/50

Dempsey was just as tough as Marciano was and just as skilled, but Marciano was more disciplined, so Marciano might just edge it, but it could go either way.

Louis - 60/40 Louis

Louis most likely gets a hard earned decision, since I doubt even a Prime Louis can cut down Marciano.

Liston - 80/20 Marciano

Marciano destroys Liston. Liston had one of the best jabs of any heavyweight champion, but could be worn down. Liston would most likely drop Marciano early, but once Marciano finds the perfect range and starts letting hands go from his crouch he would chop Liston down and stop him.

Foreman - 80/20 Marciano against Prime Foreman

Late 30's Foreman in shape - 60/40 Marciano

Prime Foreman most likely clips Marciano early, but unlike Frazier Marciano can adapt and would never show up grossly out of shape like Frazier did in both fights. Marciano also crouched and turned his head back, so he wouldn't be hit by uppercuts like Frazier was . Once Marciano gets inside and starts attacking Foreman from all angles Foreman gets worn down and gets stopped.

The Foreman that fought Qwai gives Marciano a tough fight, but still most likely loses on the cards. If Foreman would've kept this condition his entire comeback he would've wiped the floor with Holyfield sand Morrison.

Shavers - 90/10 Marciano

Marciano destroys him. Quarry flattened Shavers and Quarry on his best day wouldn't last 5 rounds with Marciano.

Wilder - 80/20 Marciano

Wilder hasn't faced anybody as skilled and conditioned as Marciano. Wilder also hasn't faced a excellent combination puncher. Wilder also doesn't punch well from all angles. Due to Marciano's crouch Wilder will be punching down a lot and also eating uppercuts to the body and right and left hooks. If Stiverne can neutralize Wilder's right hand and Ortiz can neutralize Wilder's jab Marciano would take both away. For once Wilder would be the tired boxer in the ring.

Wlad - In Germany 50/50
In Neutral territory 60/40 Marciano

Wlad in his prime could punch well from all angles, but had a weak chin and doesn't like fighting on the inside. In the first Byrd fight Wlad showed that he could adapt to a crouching fighter unlike Vitali, who quit in frustration. That said Byrd's skillset pales in comparison to Marciano.

Cooney - 90/10 Marciano

Cooney had an excellent left hook, but his gas tank let him down against Holmes. Marciano wears him down and stops him.

Lyle - 90/10 Marciano

Lyle was an excellent puncher, but had terrible stamina and lacked any cleverness. Quarry easily outboxed him. Marciano stops Lyle when Lyle runs of if gas.

Lewis - First match - 40/60 Marciano
Rematch - 50/50

Lennox had a weak chin, but for the most part had almost no weakness in his skillset. However, Lennox was arrogant and often times wouldn't always show up in great shape or would underestimate his opponent. If Lennox didn't have this character flaw he most likely would've went undefeated in his career. Lewis most likely loses the first match to Marciano, but the rematch could go either way.

 

This. Not to mention that Moore had no problem icing big men. That same counter right that Moore floored Marciano with ended plenty of heavyweights well over 200+ lbs. Moore used that same counter right on Embrell Davidson, who was 209 lbs and ended him.

Embrell Davison 6'1" 209 lbs

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At 7:40 Moore ends him in one punch.
Davidson had wins or Burt Whitehurst, who went the distance with Liston twice and Marty Marshall, who stopped Liston.

Moore also gave James Parker who was 6'3" 211 lbs a beating as well, but he also wasn't the same fighter after the beating Marciano gave him. Moore before the Marciano fight would easily knocked Parker out.

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It says a lot about Marciano that he was able to easily shake off Moore's punch.

 

Shavers would not land that kind of well timed right hand counter punch while Marciano was off balance though to be fair.

If he hits Marciano it would be a punch Marciano would probably know is coming, he might still knock him out because Marciano never took anything close to shavers power but it wouldn't be that perfect of a punch

 

I agree. Shavers doesn't really have the kind of arsenal that would catch Marciano out. A sharper puncher like Quarry might be more likely to drop him, someone who was able to sneak in short hooks and uppercuts through Rock's guard.

 

demps, louis, liston would beat him.

 

wlad would have killed rocky

 

I will not get into Marciano vs these guys because it is a losing proposition on this website.

The Marciano era much like the Louis era beleived in conditioning to fight 15 rds, there were no weights or extra size builders that we have these days. Sonny Liston was only 6 ft and a half inch

That being said I will say with certainty that Joe Louis cleans up the whole list by KO, even giants like Lewis and Vlad were ko'd by lesser punchers than Louis such as Lamon Brewster, Rahman, McCall and all these men were less skilled and about the size of Joe Louis so its an easier argument to say that

Louis Ko's Dempsey in 5
Louis Ko's Liston in 3
Ko's Foreman in 6
Ko's Shavers in 1
Ko's Wilder in 5
KO's Cooney in 2
Ko's Lyle in3
Ko's Vlad in 4
KO's Lewis in 5
Ko's David Price in 2
Ko's Joshua in 10
KO's Povetkin in 11

 

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Green = likely win
Yellow = close to 50/50
Red = likely loss

 

Interesting take.

I agree with the Povetkin thing. I actually think that is one heckuva tough fight. A fans fight. Not a whole lot of love for Alex these days and never really was, but I put him on par with the 80's multiple title holders like Weaver/Page/Witherspoon/Thomas/Dokes/Tubbs/etc.

He is such a real strong wheelhouse type fighter. By that I mean if a guy is in his wheelhouse or that perimeter he fights out of, he's in for a long night. He's extremely effective at that geography and tough as nails. And those 80's guys above had that same characteristic. But he is not anywhere near as effective outside of that. Rocky has a big advantage on the inside.

Povetkin has an excellent sneaky left uppercut in there. I think that punch is very dangerous to Rocky. Probably busts him up even. But I see a war in there between the two & it'd come down to conditioning. And who has the best skin against cuts & swelling. I like Rocky's corner a lot better for that kind of thing than the ton of trainers & cornermen Alexander has used.

 

Povetkin has that sharpness that can catch fighters out and stun them where bigger fighters might struggle. I think his multiple short uppercuts would wreak havoc with the low crouching Marciano, and his short right hook would be catching him on the side/back of the head all night as well. Both dangerous punches to be taking for any long stretches.

On the plus side, Povetkin proved to be hittable by slower fighters and would give Marciano ample opportunity to get his own shots off on the inside.

 

I think it is a real fans fight. And both guys are digging deep in there and both could dig deep.

I think it is a fight & not a boxing match that is similar to say the Brewster--Liakovich fight. I also think Rocky's body shots take their toll. Then again, it'd be just some more toll booths on a bout littered with toll booths. And the types of punches both guys throw are going to swell up or bust up the opponent.