Marciano vs the top light-heavyweights of all time

Marciano trained himself down to 185-189 lbs...when he retired in April 1956 he was over 200 lbs...

 

Being the champion and being the best ever Archie Moore are two different points. Ali was heavyweight champ in 77. Was he in his prime ?

 

marciano beat a peak moore. moores resume was never beter. film of moore agianst heavyweights during the marciano era are the best film there is of moore. he knocked out all the best heavyweight contenders. when was another lighthheavyweight champ good enough to do that?

 

Marciano has six fists, no lightheavyweight can beat a hw with six fists.

evidence: my avatar.

 

Moore is a odd ball. Fans of the black murders row believe Archie's prime was closer to 1945 when he was in his 20s and fighting around 165lb. Marciano fanatics point to Moore's 45-1 winning streak going into the marciano fight as evidence of him being a later bloomer who was still fighting in his prime in 1955 at age 38. I feel it's somewhere in the middle..But lean more toward 1955 than 1945. I think the early 1950s specificully was the best we had ever seen of Moore. There is no question that Moore was a late bloomer. But even late bloomers age at some point. I feel he still had pretty much all of his speed and reflexes in 1951 at the age of 34, when I watch him on film. During this time, he put on some spectacular performances, including wide decision wins over a young prime hall of famer harold johnson. I think the trait moore had in 1951-52 he did not possess in 1945 was Ring Intelligence and Savvy. Moore got smarter as he got older. He really combined his new found ring intelligence with his physical peak in the early 1950s. Right around 175lb, that was the best Moore we had ever seen. 1955? I would say damm close to it, even if not in it.

 

Yes he was on fire and beat the best of the Heavyweights at the time Excluding Charles and Moore. Moore also had a 50 fight wins streak marred by a DQ and a controversial Nod to ATG Johnson, which he avenged, and his resume was THICK. I have to agree he was at his peak or close to it all around in 1955

 

Moore was in his prime, but not his peak. The guy was running a 55-1 run, and remained LHW champ 5 years after the loss. Remained a contender in the HW division till 62-63 I believe.

 

Jones would have a very small chance.

The other two, none.

 

I don't think Moore was in his prime or at his best when he fought Rocky. However, he was still clearly a terrific fighter when he fought him. In addition, I don't see the best Archie really beating Rocky ... at 160 or so he would have been too light ... Rocky was just so damn strong for his size he would have been too much .. Maybe it's me but after that second round I do not find their legendary fight to be that competitive. Exciting, yes, dramatic, yes ... but after the second round to me it really semed like a matter of when fight not a I wonder who will win fight ...

Very, very few fighters under 200 were severly testing Marciano ..

 

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these people are mischeivious. its conveinent that there is no proof in film other than greater unconsistancy in moores record at this point. there is an argument that perhaps with the right manager and training camps archie may have develped into his prime earlier but the record shows moore did not blosum until after the morrow rematch. I believe moore fought with the intension of holding something back for the next fight for much of this career preserving himself until doors opened. by then archie had developed a winning style and so much experience.

agreed.:good a fighters prime usualy ends when he cannot knock out a rated fighter but moore did this much later. he is posibly a unique exception.

 

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