Marciano vs. Tyson

I think people kinda kid themselves too far to thinking Tyson could just blow away anyone in front of him? Yeah the guy could REALLY hit - but so could Marciano (and a lot of others)? And much lesser fighters than Marciano DID stand up to his power - and did stand a chance? And people harp on about Tyson like he was hugely bigger than Rocky? He was what generally 217 which is only, what, 4 or 5 pounds heavier than say Joe Louis was against Rock?? It's not a big deal? And Tyson, I dare say, was probably shorter in reality than Rocky - a friend of mine who is exactly 6foot met him and said he thought he wasn't much above 5'8"? My mate certainly looked to have 3 or 4 inches on him in the photo he had with him - as opposed to the official half an inch - Tyson wasn't a giant guy? You say Marciano is misjudged because he is judges against how he did against smaller older fighters but Tyson equally is over judged in his prime because we're looking at how devastating he looked against very average fighters who were mostly used up and in too much fear of him to be able to properly fight back?

 

Who cares if Tyson is just 5'8, he didn't fight like a tall fighter.
With his style he needed all the stamina he could get, if he had a taller body with the same style, his stamina would have been worse, blood would have to be pumped higher and arteries would have been longer leading to more energy wasted by friction, also less muscle mass because taller bodies have longer/larger bones.

Tyson has all the advantages, and even if Rocky his heart somehow would make all the difference because of he's wearing rose tinted lences that night, Mike still got a jab that could keep himself safe and get himself an UD
(Didn't Tyson KD Ruddock with a hard jab?)

Tyson has short arms though so it's not a Holmes kind of piston, but Rocky got t-rex arms so Tyson his jab would be extremely effective, I'm sure.

The Louis Marciano fought might have been big, but it maybe wasn't his best weight, and Louis was old.(Also balding)
Also didn't Louis have problems with his right hand?

 

Difference being Tyson of the Spinks fight at 217 is 33lb bigger than Marciano and 15 younger than a washed up Louis.
He is also far far more explosive with his punches.

Marciano has to somehow get through the opening rounds without taking too much damage before he can start to impose himself and i just can't see him surviving the early exchanges.

For the record i met Mike in 1988 and trust me he is certainly taller than 5'8

 

Chill Bro I was simply countering all the Tyson was miles bigger - he would kill Marciano shouts - just making the observation that yeah he is heavier but it ain't like Tyson was some kind of giant ogre in comparison?? They were a very similar stature? People are talking like its man against boy and its really not?? And yeah don't fly off the handle thinking I was using that Louis as a comparative with tyson as a fighter or anything - I was simply illustrating that someone who is only 4 or 5 pounds heavier than the Louis that Marciano fought is NOT GOING TO BE TOO BIG FOR MARCIANO?

 

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NNltrIvqHs&feature=related[/url]

12th round against Tucker shows Tyson his pretty good jab

 

If that man is not only more skilled than Rocky, and also faster and also more explosive and that man is also bigger.
Then Tyson is too big for Marciano, or too skilled/fast/explosive for Marciano to overcome the size difference.

 

My point was that the size is inconsequential - I don't claim to know Tysons exact height (not that it matters) - but I do know he is shorter than 5'11" and a half because that would make my mate 6'3"/6'4" and h definately ain't that tall for sure - but again I was just saying that between these two the size is inconsequential that's all because a lot of people who responded seemed to base everything on that?

 

But in this particular fight it would make a substantial difference.
You put forward that Tyson was only a few pounds heavier than the Joe Louis that fought Rocky and started that didn't effect the outcome.....You may as well have said that Ali of the Spinks fight was only a few pounds heavier as well....Rocky would have beaten him at that age also.

Fact of the matter is Tyson would be fighting at 22yrs of age and not a washed up 37yrs.

 

Tyson would hurt Rock bad to the body. There is no other way than a Tyson KO

 

Marciano is a very live fighter against Tyson.. People act like Tyson just destoyed everybody.. he didn't. Tyson should be the favorite simply because of his physical tools.. but to act like he blows marciano away is just plain silly. It would LITERALLY only take one punch from Marciano to make Tyson take a step back.. go WTF was that.. and lose some of that confidence that served him so well. When that happens... Rocky could and would put him away.

 

I suppose its all levels and opinions I guess but I think Marciano was a bette fighter when the going got tough Tyson didn't respond aswell as I think Marciano did - fair enough if you think Tyson was bigger faster and more explosive I think Marciano would shock Tyson when they get in there - everyone who fought Marciano thought he was a huge puncher and hugely strong and tough enough to beat anyone etc etc - IMO it's gunna be no different for Tyson too - he is gunna know he's not faced anyone as good all told and it will hit home and the same reactions will set in when - I can see Tyson actually finding Marciano very awkward to land his best shots on actually - whether you class that as actually being more skilled in a certain way or more affective in a certain way is apples' and oranges' I guess but as someone touched on earlier the fact is Marciano hurt everyone he hit - there wasn't anyone in 49 fights who didn't get badly hurt at some point in the fight and again it's not gunna be any different with Tyson - it's how Tyson responds I suppose?

 

Weight is still weight size is still size regardless - my point was that size per sa wouldn't be an issue?? Did it look like Joe Louis' weight was too much for Rocky?? Again I reiterate that I wasn't making any other comparison between that Louis as a guage of how Tyson would do so again don't misunderstand me on that - I was making no other distinction so your come back on that is misdirected

 

Of course the weight in itself would not be an issue, that wasn't the point i was making, Louis could have weighed 300lb and it wouldn't have mattered as by that stage he was only 50% of what he once was.

 

Clearly - but equally Tysons weight would be of as little consequence as Joes was to Marciano when they're actually in there - obviously Marciano would have to deal with other more painful aspects of fighting Tyson - not specifically his weight - more the speed and explosiveness

 

But that's exactly my point, under those conditions the extra weight would be a big factor as Tyson had the youth and speed to make full use of it.

A heavyweight Tyson is a whole different ball game to a cruiserweight version.