marciano vs wolcott II question....

I think it is not really possible to say from the outside how hard a punch is. Looked like a legit knockout to me.

 

Walcott stated it was legit knockdown but he blanked out and mistimed the count. He decided to retire because he felt he shouldn't have blanked out like that.

 

Very true. You can see how walcotts legs stiffened when he was hit that the kd was legit. I can't see that a battler like jersey joe would want to end his career like that so my feeling is Walcott indeed missed the count.

 

Marciano hit Walcott with a right uppercut...JJ stated in the past that he did indeed black out for a second and didn't hear the count...

 

It's funny that in the first fight Marciano hits Walcott with some HUGE right hands from midrounds on and he doesn't even seem to blink. When he bounced off the ropes in the 13th, it was lights out.

In the second fight, it really seems he was looking for a way out of that kind of struggle. He was at the end of a long, long career... 70 fights, 23 years.

 

Walcott knew that the big right hand that KO'd him in the 1st fight could come anytime and he didn't want to go through an entire grueling fight again just to face the same fate.

Not saying Joe was a coward but he knew his chances of outlasting Marciano and winning the fight were nil. He got one last good payday and the first significant punch he faced, he decided to call it a day and get out. There's no way he would admit that. Who would? He still had a great career.

 

You can see Joes legs stiffen when he gets hit so more than likely a legit kd.

 

I think Jersey Joe had worked too hard, too long to take the easy way out.

 

Walcott said he blacked out and came to around the count of nine. It could very well have been a quit job. Walcott never fought again after this.

 

I had happen what Joe did although the first three times were for only a little more then a second. When it lasted longer at the end of my career I might understand why Joe retired, your talking about the brain being damaged here.

 

Walcotts career never got going until after the war, its only the last 7 years that count. Hed been a spoiler who often held something back for his next fight. As a champ he put it all on the line. Everything saved up he used. Walcott fought like a man posessed in the first fight. A war. But that was some concussion he got at the end of it. He was out cold for a long time. Who is ever the same after that?

 

There's always the possibility that Walcott just got caught cold in the rematch too. What Seamus is failing to understand is that getting caught with an unexpected punch in the opening minutes can be different than absorbing huge shots in the middle of a brutal war with adrenaline pumping.

Just look at the first fight, when Walcott came out with guns blazing unexpectedly, Marciano got rocked and went down with the first combination of punches that landed. Throughout the fight, Walcott continued to land huge shots but none had that same effect as the first ones that landed in the opening round.

 

The knockdown was legit but Walcott waited way too long to start getting up. He wasn't blacked out by any means. He could have risen much sooner than he did, but he took his time about it so he could just miss beating the count, so he could save face by claiming he beat the count, even though he timed his rise so that he would just miss it.

Carl The Truth Williams played that game to some degree against Tyson. He got up, but when the ref asked him if he was okay, he made a face like no and rolled his eyes. Then when the ref stopped it, he protested furiously so he could save face. He should have shown that type of spirit to continue before the ref stopped it, not after - but then if he had done that - then the ref might have allowed it to continue.

 

When Rocky was a headliner, most of his opponents who were competitive the first time were haunted by the experience 'n only showed up for a check.