Marciano

So you must think Helio Gracie would get wrecked by modern bjj practitioners then. Right? Maybe you’re out of your depth here.

 

You really think Marciano has the power to stop Fury? When Wlad and Wilder don't?

 

Wlad was certainly not at his best and was like 40 years old. Wilder put Fury down twice. Fury also went down against Cunningham, a 200 lbr who didn’t hit even half as hard as Marciano.

 

Answer the question. Do you think Helio Gracie would get bested by bjj practitioners today? Do you even know who I’m talking about?

If your assertion about other sports was true then Babe Ruth, Walter Payton, Michael Jordan, Lawrence Taylor, Pele, and Joe DiMaggio wouldn’t hold a candle to modern athletes yet in reality they would still be extremely competitive if not some of the best players in their sport.

 

Wlad even in his old age is still a much bigger hitter than Marciano, and he landed hard on Fury multiple times in one of the last few rounds. Fury wasn't bothered at all.

He got up and beat Wilders ass twice after those KDs, and for all practicality wasn't close to being KOed. He took other full force rights in that one and rematch too, with no I'll effects.

Cunningham was a complete balance issue. It's there on film, a perfectly timed shot (which Rocky could never have done) put down an off balance Fury. No chin issue there.

And you avoided the question. Do you really think Marciano has the power to KO Fury? Especially considering his 100+ punch volley failed to stop an ancient Charles in the final round of there first fight.

 

The fight was utterly boring with little to no action. Not a single punch was even thrown with the idea that it would be a knockout blow.

That’s complete and utter horse ****. Fury was literally on his back for a solid 5 or 6 seconds staring at the ceiling and seeing stars before he got back up and certainly did not get up and beat Wilders ass. You can’t say he took right hands with no ill effects when he literally went down twice. What the hell are you smoking man?

This is yet another blatant LIE of what actually occurred. Cunningham caught Fury flush on the chin with an overhand right because Fury held his hands low and Fury went down like a pancake on the canvas. To even suggest that Marciano is incapable of throwing a well timed punch isn’t even a point worth anyone’s time debating over.

You’re exactly what’s wrong with certain aspects of this forum. Here all of the rational people are debating the finer aspects of boxing yet posters like you come out of the woodwork and can’t even grasp the idea that Marciano could throw a well timed punch. Pathetic.

I already said he has the power to KO Fury when I said Marciano has the power to put Fury’s lights out.

Charles is an atg fighter in multiple divisions and possessed more skill in his pinky than Fury does in his entire family. If winning a clear decision over such a fighter is a problem for you then you have worse things to worry about.

 

I really don't why there is any argument here. Today, Marciano would be a magnificent crusierweight. Before they moved up, he would have had some legendary fights with Usyk and Gassiev.

Given that he is small for cruiser, and that a lot of his success depended on keeping weight off/stamina up, I am not even saying that his frame would be built for heavies, but he would be a magnificent cruiser. And if he did want to move up, yeah, he would be fighting guys at heights and weights that he never saw, but then again, no one today has ever seen a guy who could throw a 100 punches in the 15th round of a fight.

Marciano was a great fighter. Let's be realistic, but give him his due.

 

Doesn't change the fact that Fury ate flush shots in the final round.

Fury got up at 7/8 and had his knees up the whole time, clearly still in control of his facilities. If you couldn't see Fury getting up and putting it on Wilder then I don't know what the hell you watched.

Once Fury got up from that punch (which was from a puncher much more powerful than Marciano) did you even for one second think he was in danger of being stopped? No? Didn't think so.

And got up like it wasn't a problem... since it wasn't. Lol You know you'd be saying exactly what I'm saying if I said that Fury KOs Rocky coz Moore and Walcott put him down momentarily with shots whilst he was off balance. Coz all 3 were the product of well timed shots and balance. Not power or poor chins.

Please show me the technically brilliant shots which Marciano threw against guys like Fury. Don't worry, I'll wait.

Then we wildly disagree. Fury has took punches from one of the hardest Punchers ever and got up like it was problem. I see NO Reason to say Marciano could KO him. None.

Oh so you think an old Charles would beat Fury, do you? If not, there's no point mentioning this since whilst Charles is the best LHW ever, he's a mediocre HW. Even with all that skill.

 

Why does Marciano even get matched up with Fury? It's no criticism that he's incapable of beating a guy who's 8" taller than him with like 17 inches of reach and 85lbs on him. No other ATG gets scrutinized coz they can't match an order that tall.

Put him in with guys his size, he's virtually king of the hill. Only prime Charles beats Marciano below 200lbs imo.

It doesn't make sense to me, it's not a criticism. Just because a prime Pacquiao can't beat Tommy Loughran, doesn't mean he's a bad fighter.

 

This is a colossal joke right? Wlad was observably gassed in the 12 round and clinched nearly the entire time! He threw maybe 4 punches the entire round with any leftover steam that he could conjure up. Your standards for Fury are pathetically low.

Again what are you smoking? What the hell does the placement of his knees have to do with anything? He was stretched on his back about to meet his maker. Not in any universe did Fury kick Wilders ass after the last knockdown. Wilder didn't go for the kill which is on him. Not because Fury kicked his ass.

Completely laughable. Fury wasn't in trouble because of his granite chin that you think he possesses but because of the failure of Wilder to go for the kill. Wilder was clearly gassed and isn't a skilled fighter.

I see you completely backtracked and now admit it was a legit knockdown. Well done. The difference, and an obvious one at that, is Fury was literally on his back staring at the ceiling and took nearly an 8 count while Marciano was up just as fast as he got knocked down.

Literally the knockout over Walcott.

Dude you're insanely delusional. Extremely delusional. The only puncher he faced that might be up there with the likes of Shavers and Co. is Wilder and he was knocked down not once but twice. I'm almost certain you have some sort of mental problems at this point.

You're rambling at this point and frothing at the mouth. Take a few deep breaths and watch some more boxing because you're severely out of your depth. I can't believe your posts are even half serious. Nowhere did I say Charles beats Fury.

 

You're saying all of those guys are the best yet they were active in their sports 30 to almost 50 years ago! Still dodging me about bjj because you realize you're wrong about that too.

 

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