Marcianos 3 minute bomb run on the durable Don Cockell

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    https://streamable.com/zl8mn

    Marciano delivers bomb after bomb on Don Cockell.
    And does so at an endless pace for the entire round.

    His commentary lends very relevant and useful context to current topics.

    There seems to be a push to classify Marciano as an attrition grinder.
    This fight being a prime example.

    But you look at the impact of the punches and judge for yourself.
    Is Cockell showing incredible durability by withstanding tremendously powerful punches?
    Or are the punches simply not up to par per the Liston/Louis/Foreman standards?


    The knockout which occurs at the beginning of the next round, along with more commentary on his opinions about fighting Cockell:
    https://streamable.com/225bn
     
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  2. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Two observations:

    1. Marcianos incredible stamina. Threw constant punches in the 8th, then came out roaring in the 9th. Most guys get gassed after 45-60 seconds of punching then have to take a rest.
    2. Cockells ability to take punishment. That flabby body took a beating and his chin too.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Well, this answers one question.

    Is it possible to over-analyze this tiny little attrition heavyweight from the 65 years ago?

    Apparently not!
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Trivia Question.

    Heavyweight championship fight with the shortest combined reach of the opponents?

    Marciano-Cockell. 138 inches.

    The more you know.
     
  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    The work rate is impressive
    What's not is all the clean shots this guy took without going down.
    IMO Frazier exhibits this workrate constantly and this guy wouldn't be able to take this many clean shots from Frazier either.
    Not to take anything away from Rocky but he gets constant accolades here while Frazier gets dumped on alot.
     
  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Calling cockell “durable”? Might want to rethink that one.

    Cockell got knocked out by the feather fisted Jimmy Slade. Slade couldn’t crack an egg.

    Middleweight Randy Turpin had him down 3 times

    Aaron Wilson knocked him out

    Valdes bounced him off the floor in the first round
     
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  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Cockell was marcianos worst performance. I wouldn’t look too much into it. Marciano had much better performances which where he displayed ATG punching power.

    Frazier no doubt would have had cockell out early. And Frazier was a monster hitter with the left. But I don’t think this fight proves Frazier was a bigger hitter than the rock
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    The embarrassing thing about this performance is cockell couldn’t take a punch. Weak hitter jimmy Slade bombed out cockell in 4 rounds.

    This thread isn’t helping marcianos case
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Cockell wouldn’t last more than 1 round against any of those 3
     
  10. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Rez
    I wish Rez would use his skills to make gifs of more highly skilled fighters..I mean why waste it on a clip of Tub of lard Don?

    Do some skilled middleweight gifs
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    You seem to have a real problem with Don, the guy was a legitimate challenger fighting for his life in his one big chance. The guy left it all in the ring going beyond bravery to lose. The knockdowns he suffered before fighting Marciano were when Don was weight drained. The guy had health issues trying to keep his weight down and was stronger in the next weight class. Sure he was fat. So was Tony Tubbs. The difference is Don didn’t put the weight on to miss out on a bonus or have a trainer walk out on him to have an alibi Ready ahead of the fight like Tony did against Tyson.

    You want to call somebody an embarrassing tub of Lard I point you in the direction of Tony Tubbs. Not Don Cokkell.

    As for Rocky not punching hard enough, The fight could have been stopped much much sooner. Don was numbed, ghost walking. Swaying. It’s hard to say he would collapse earlier against somebody else. Sometimes ropes and guts will keep a man up too long. Lennox Lewis couldn’t deck Bruno. It dosnt mean Lewis did not hit him hard enough.
     
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  12. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    great honest response, Co ckell was a very worthy challenger, and more importantly a L-HW with serious health problems that began surfacing a couple of years before this fight and then led to his death about 20 years later...

    Q is a hard bias critic, always lifting his fighters, while not allowing for the same facts, that do happen to other fighters too, then trying hard to nullify them.

    the amount of skilled and great TOP fighters he refuses to recognize is mind blowing to me for a boxing fan. he's in reality a fan boy.

    Turpin fought Don, both very much L-HWs at the time and he fought his greatest ever performance beating Don, he fought a skilled classic fight. NO shame in Don losing that one.

    Likewise Co ckell proved himself equally against a few other well noted and great fighters.

    I've never understood exclusions of great fighter (generally speaking), in silly debates as if your word is the only word.

    get in the ring yourselves, see how far you go, and harder yet to get Among the TOP.
     
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Cockell would not go 4 rds with Liston,Foreman,or Tyson.Feather fisted
    Slade 17% ko's had him down 5 times light hitting Tontini 22%ko's had him down twice.
    Don was a brave man and a decent lhvy, I wouldn't call him names, but he had no business in that ring and Johnny Simpson his manager wanted to pull him out sooner but Don refused to quit..
     
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  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Cockell wasn't a worthy challenger at all he was a gimmeee a test a run out to see if Marciano's nose would hold up.He got the chance because he beat Lastarza whom Marciano had terminally ruined.
    Cockell contracted glandular fever and it put his metabolism all out of whack and he began to put on the poundage .He died of throat cancer nothing to do with his earlier health problems.
    Turpin very much a light heavyweight? He scaled 162 lbs for the Cockell fight! Giving away over12lbs.

    "Former middleweight champion Randy Turpin, still middleweight king of Britain, added British national and empire light heavyweight crowns to his collection last night after stopping Don Cockell in the 11th round of their scheduled 15 round bout at White City Stadium. Turpin, weighing 162, floored Cockell twice in the 11th before the referee stopped the bout at 1:10 of the round. Cockell, who scaled 174 1/4 pounds, also hit the canvas in the 3rd round after a hard right to the jaw." -International News Service '
    So that's everything you said WRONG!


    Suzie Q is one of our very best posters and a huge Marciano fan ,he is also honest and objective.
    He is ten times the poster you are!
    You tearing him down, calling him a fan boy is the supreme irony of ironies!!!
    You are the guy who came here telling all and sundry how Bert Gilroy was a great fighter and worldclass!!!
    You are the very definition of the term FAN BOY!
    Next time you want to have a go at someone and pontificate on a fighter do your homework first!
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Archie Moore thought he was a grinder,but what would he know?