Marcianos 3 minute bomb run on the durable Don Cockell

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    It isn't ignorance, it's what I've seen.
     
  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Lmao Rez if these guys think we're Marciano fanboys then imagine what they'd think of Stout Krout from YouTube
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Cockell was never a top talent, he beat a couple of fringe contenders and was in the right place at the right time to earn a few quid,and by **** he did earn it! Cockell's optimum weight was 175lbs, he was carrying30 lbs of blubber when he challenged Marciano.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Sorry, but you're pretty ignorant on this particular era of boxing.You came on here like gangbusters ,looking to show us all what was what.Well ,now you know the score.I hope you will stay and become a good poster there is always room for one and I have no animosity towards you.
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Nope I'm crap at techno stuff and have to get my 8 years old grandson to work my mobile phone.But I've forgotten more about boxing than you have yet learned!
     
  6. mcvey

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    Nope Cockell weighed 181lbs when light punching Jimmy Slade, who was inside the lhvy limit floored him multiple times and stopped him in4 rds.So he lost and was stopped as a heavyweight before he fought Marciano
     
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    In 1955 NYSAC top honcho, Richard Christenberry said the credentials of both Cokkell and Valdes “was about the same”. his words.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Christenberry lol
    Valdes was number 1 for 2 years
    Q.What happened when Cockell fought Valdes?

    Going into 55 Valdes had beaten
    Charles
    Neuhaus
    Sys
    Agramonte
    Cockell had beaten Lastarza and Mathews, who was unranked.
     
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  9. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    For the sake of sparing myself from being burnt at the stake over minced details of the Farr examples, perhaps I can provide other instances that suggest double standards at play:

    Jack Dempsey went 10 rounds with Bert Kenny, who lost almost twice as many fights as he won, and who got knocked out 8 times by LHW sized opponents.

    Sonny Liston couldn't KO Bert Whitehurst in 20 rounds. Yet 179lb Joe Rowan could complete the task in 1 single round. Forget about the fact that Sonny knocked Bert silly through the ropes, and brutalized him in one of the fight with his killer power. Let's stick to the bare results as we do for Marciano.

    Wlad decisioned an opponent who was KOd by a CW.

    174lb Lou Scozza KO'd Jim Braddock 2 rounds quicker than Louis, who took 8 rounds.
    Natie Brown survived 10 rounds with Louis 3 fights before his Carnera bout. Brown got stopped in 5 by 170lb Joe Knight.

    A green but ready Mike Tyson went to the 4th round with Don Halpin.
    Prior to that fight, Halpin got KOd in 3 by 7-3 194lb John Lafranco.
     
  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Don Cockell was certainly a top talent compared to 0-2 Josh Sullivan.
     
  11. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    His stamina was brilliant but it's also the way he paces himself. Wears down his opponent while not expending himself so much that he gets too tired. No doubt one reason he was unbeaten, and I think it's an era where a fair few modern fighters could take notes.
     
  12. FrankinDallas

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    To quote Vin Skully...I can't believe what I just saw.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    This is like those seven stages of removal/connection and about as relevant. Dempsey was 21 and still developing as a fighter .As I've pointed out to you,twice now ,Marciano was31 years old the finished product and the reigning world champion Whitehurst was outside the ring at the end of the fight when the final bell rang to save him from a ko.
    Sullivan out weighed the 18years old Farr by 20lbs I appreciate how desperate you are to make a killing thrust but this lame attempt is really the pits!

    You made a thread here to show what a monster puncher Rocky was and didnt get quite the result you expected.
    No doubt there will be others at suitable intervals and no doubt the usual suspects ie Choc and the new bloke will rally around you, but ultimately you're not winning anything here, in fact this thread has ended up pretty much obliterating your position.
     
  14. choklab

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    yes Mr. Boxing in 1955 is lol?

    he was number 1 at the end of the year for two years. It dosnt mean everyone did not still think all the guys that already beat him -and were still rated- were better than him. Baker beat him. Moore beat him. Those guys want a shot too.

    what happened when Kitone Lave fought Cokkell? They both fought Valdes after Rocky beat the granny out of him. Lave did a much better job on Cokkell. Is he better than Valdes?

    these were big fights. If Valdes got those two as opponents it would have meant more than the stinker he had with J. Parker in the garden. There’s no saying nino beats Lastarza or Mathews going by his defeats to Johnson and Gilliam and awful performance with Parker.

    Jackson was hot and cold crazy kid, a good win, but not enough to eclipse Moore so they took Cokkell instead. So what? Moore beat Valdes twice and he didn’t do much better agains Marciano than Don did.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    And Cockell fought Lastarza after Marciano had beaten the Granny out of him otherwise he would have lost and not gotten his title shot! Likewise Lastarza fought Layne after Marciano had beaten the Granny out of him otherwise he would have lost and not gotten his title shot!Jeez you give me a headache!