Marcianos 3 minute bomb run on the durable Don Cockell

Leave him alone. He's and old guy, and sometimes old guys get cranky. Trust me, I know all about old and cranky.

 

Is this even possible in these parts?

I would love to see what is beyond having magical fists that create tumors.

 

Again, people, Matthews and Lastarza never did anything but get their names associated with Marciano. And because the name Marciano can never be more than inches from your quivering lips, you also keep hearing Matthews and Lastarza and convince yourself that those two were actual entities in the division.

Sorry, that was not the case. And beating them does not promote Cockell into legitimacy as a heavyweight title challenger.

 

Rupert Christenberry authenticated Cokkells legitimacy when he said there wasn’t much between Don and Nino. This was the top guy in boxing at that time. The NYSAC who ran title fights and ordered matches. So Get your quivering lips around that fact. and hold onto it. 1955 that’s how it was. Nino number one. Don number two and most people believed Moore was better than both. Because he was. And Rocky knocked him out as well.

 

Waiaiaiat a minute Seamus
You have a point about Marciano being mindlessly praised by some & Cockell being no great challenger
And you know more about Ye Olde Tyme boxing than me

But methinks you are also guilty of sometimes overstating your case
Looking up LaStarza when he fought Rocky the second time it seems he had fifty three victories> & he had lost to only two other men + AVENGED both of those
He also beat some with very good records like Brion & Layne (avenged)

Was not Roland a very worthy contender & somewhat better than many challengers to other ATGs?
And Rocky may have ruined him judging by his record after their debilitating second meeting

 

1. Rocky Marciano
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Jersey Joe Walcott
4. Archie Moore
5. Harold Johnson
6. Joe Louis
7. Rex Layne
8. Clarence Henry
9. Bob Baker
10. Nino Valdes
11. Hurricane Jackson
12. Bob Satterfield
13. John Holman
14. Roland Lastarza
15. Cesar Brion or Earl Walls

 

Whoever beat Lastarza next was going to have a good case for a title shot. It happened to be Don C. He didn’t have the baggage of losing to other current rated fighters, so he got that shot as legitimately as anybody else has. We can all say after the event how he compared to other challengers in history but nobody knew that going into it. All he had to do was land the right fight at the right time to earn that position. Laugh as much as you want to afterwards. At the time He was legit.

 

The head of the IBC Jim Norris states in October of 1954

“Valdes is the only contender Marciano should fight next. He is the only logical contender”


Jim Norris ran the show

 

I don’t think Henry deserves to be so high. Bivins and Jackson burst his bubble a bit. Holman ahead of Lastarza? Where is Pastrano

 

Cockell Matthews and cockell Lastarza were not big fights. Lastarza was considered damaged goods and Matthews past his prime and not even rated for 2 of their 3 fights.


Valdes Jackson was a big fight...held at Madison square garden...two top 5 rated contenders. Valdez destroyed Jackson in 2 and impressed all of the crowd and reporters in attendance

He was immediately promoted to number 1 shortly afterward

Once again your post is filled with lies

 

Not true


I have newspaper articles in 1954 which state Lastarza was “damaged goods” following the marciano defeat and his manager felt like he should retire from boxing. The Cokkell fight was far from impressive


Valdes beating number 4 rated hurricane Jackson in two rounds in Madison square Garden was considered much more impressive backed up by his very well received wins over number 1 Ezzard Charles (by far better than anyone cockell beat) and European champ Heinz Neuhaus who many in Europe thought would be the next heavyweight champion

The nba and ring agreed with my point because they promoted him to number 1 and named him only logical contender.

So once again you’re wrong


Jim Norris head of IBC tried to set up a marciano Valdes bout in February 1955 in Miami .....Weill balked and chose the softer touch


Valdes was 6’3 with an 80” reach and a big punch...name me a fighter marciano Ever fought who resembled those physical tools and world class ability?

 

Walcott beat Charles twice when he came into his own, and had the only knockout in 4 fights. Walcott>Charles

LaStarza beat Layne

Satterfield beat Valdes

Who's Clarence Henry???

Besides that your list is fine. Id put old Joe Louis lower but that's just me, he did do well against Charles and beat down decent competition like Savold and Brion twice. I'd also put LaStarza over Moore simply because LaStarza gave Marciano a better fight, where as Moore was bashed in and only won 1 round on one of the judge's scorecards

 

“Whose Clarence Henry?”

Enough said. Go hit the books kid

 

Jackson beat Henry when Henry was legally blind....that loss doesn’t count toward his career. The Bivins loss happened very early in Henry’s career. Bivins was a great fighter you know, not a tomato can like rocky Jones whom Lastarza lost to nearly twice in his prime.

Holman beat much better completion than Lastarza. Holman was one of the best punchers of the era

Pastrano did not accomplish anywhere near enough 1950-1955 to make the list unless you want to count all the washed up has Beens he beat

 

Please respond to everything else I said