Marciano's 49-0 vs. The Rest

I don't see how Foreman could ever be ranked higher based on his 1st career only. He had one of the most padded records of any HW prospect I can remember. Prior to his first loss, he beat a downside Frazier and a B-level, somewhat chinny Norton. Good, well-timed pelts but still only two pelts of note. File under: Over-rated.

 

Don't know where you are getting that from. Great wins, but all I'm saying is that in hindsight if Ali retired around Vietnam that people could nitpick his resume and highlight the perception that those Liston fights were suspicious. People don't do that because they can rely on Frazier, Foreman, and Norton wins to validate Ali's greatness. He really proved himself. You just misunderstood me.

 

There should be multiple voting options...

 

Y'all musta forgot about 27-0 Vitlay.

Wins VS Herbie, Dicky, Mahone, Sullivan And Shot Old Ribalta! :thumbsup

Or

24-0 Waldo.

Wins VS Dixon, Shaheed, Pannell, Koch And McIntyre!

 

Holmes is the only one from that list that I could justify putting above Marciano based on the time line at which they were still unbeaten. Holmes was a great Champion, he defended his Championship 20 times which is very, very impressive.

 

Foremannn Hoooooooooook:hat

 

Janitor

Rocky only had ten fights against oppentents who had not lost at least 2 of their last 6 fights. As champion and leading contender you have Harry Matthews, Rex Lange, Don Cockell, La Starza and Archie Moore. Old Joe Louis, and there are a couple of contenders who might have made it except for running into Rocky.

His record in his first 30 fights was against tomato cans

This is the record sheet of Rocky's last twenty fights prior to meeting Rocky.

 

funny because You are not precisely impartial.(your comment was not bad) but you said "frazier and tyson did clean the division and foreman not".
1_ the undefeated tyson never faced ali or joe frazier, he faced average fighters and bums.great difference.
2_foreman was 40-0 and joe 29-0 and foreman destroyed joe frazier, so foreman destroyed the undefeated man who did clean the division.

 

against who?

 

what are you talking about? tyson should not be on this list, it is the first of all. tyson was a great prospect who never did beat great names ,great names like holmes? the worst version of holmes in 1988? even holmes 92 was better. spinks?¿ spinks was a great lhw, he is not even top 20 hws.

 

Janitor

fights lost in last 6 fights before meeting rocky

Ted lowery 6 out of 6
Bill Wilson 2 out of 6
Keanne Simmons 4 out of 6
Harold mitchell 6 out of 6
art henri 5 out of 6
willis applegate 5 out of 5
REX LANGE real contender

Freddie Beshore 4 out of 6
JOE LOUIS 2nd lost, 37 having come out of retirement due to taxes.

Lee Savold 2 out of 6
Gino Buonvino 3 out of 6
Bernie Reynolds 4 out of 6
HARRY MATTHEWS a real contender, a light heavy trying his luck at heavyweight.

JERSEY JOE does not meet the criteria, but a decent champ.
ROLAND LASTARZA
EZZARD CHARLES does not meet the criteria, but was a decent champ.
DON COCKELL
ARCHIE MOORE

Jackson and Valdes deserved shots at Rocky as much as La Starza, Charles and Cockell. Howard Earl and Bob Salterfield possible. Rocky's record is generally poor as far as oppersition prior to Harry Matthews. Charles, Cockell and La Starza and Walcott were par for top contenders prior to rocky fighting them. Not standout greats, to many recent losses.

Walcott is consider special because he caught an old Joe louis on the way down. Charles was a ATG as a light heavy no doubt, as a heavyweight he was on the slide since 1950. La Starza and Cockell are not top 100 heavyweights. Archie Moore was ATG as a light heavy not as a heavyweight. Archie did beat top contenders while rocky fought Charles and Cockell. In my mind he is Rocky's one defining victory everybody else was on the way down. Archie was 42 but his record was good before and after.

Rocky missed Joe Louis when he was fighting as an ATG.
He missed Charles fighting as an ATG and at his best weight.
Walcott was a nearly fighter who won the heavyweight championship at the fifth attempt. I do rate Rocky's win even if he was a 37/38 Walcott. Walcott had concentration problems so always vulenerable.

Archie Moore was an ATG at light heavy, despite being 42 he was still special. I do think if Rocky had met Walcott or Moore ten years earlier the outcome might have been different.

There are no great up and coming fighters who went on to dominate on Rocky's record and some missing contenders Jackson and Valdes. The era was poor for decent heavyweights as well.

 

Rocky beat 33 grannys, 9 decent fighters e.g. on winning streaks, 5 championship fights against three old guys on the way down and 2 nobodies.

 

He defended the lineal heavyweight title six times and all but one of his title challengers were the curent #1 ranked contender
(aparently at least two of them were nobodies).

Despite this high quality title reign he is the only lineal champion in any weight class ever to reach 49-0, in a period of 130 years.

Those are the salient facts.