Marciano's Body Frame could easily be Tua and Tyson

Without steroids many of the Modern hwts would lose their bodybuilder type physiques. Just how good would they be without the use of illegal performance enhancement drugs?

 

Tua was on the juice?

That's news to me.

Any of you ever live around Islanders? I certainly did. Were you to be so crude as to generalize, how would you describe their physiognomy? A tiny people? Frail? How does such a tiny population hold down so many roles in college and pro football? Pure chance perhaps?

 

Look Marciano was smaller than he could have been due to training down, + being lean decreases your measurements a bit.

But most bhere are correct: he did not have the natural muscularity of a Tua, or even a Tyson. They did have bigger bone structures, as many Pacific Islanders do.

Someone can gain 30 obs. in college due to still growing, & if not vertically, naturally filling out. And I'll bet you started out skinny or lean; this is very different than being already past early 20's & gaining the weight when already having at least a fairly muscular build.

Though it would be a bit surprising if you gained the weight & were really 5%. -which appears ripped to the bone with a coivace stomach-rather than ~ 10% body fat. Unless reliably measured realize that this is super-cut territory, not just lean. Most underestimate their body fat due to vanity.

Just seeing abs does not make one necessarily at all lean.
IDue to genetics &/or being a sit up champ as a kid, I can see 4 abs at body fat % up to late 20's even if faint.

 

All I know is Orlin Norris had the same frame as Marciano and he went from 188 to 215 depending on who he fought. He was comfortable at both weights won a lot of world class fights in both divisions and he just went up down and back again throughout his 19 year career. His last fight was 3lb less than his debut weight!

So if weight is the be all and end all here's the proof. yes if Orlin can so can Rocky. He would just have access to Modern training.

Norris beat three heavyweight champions moving forward in a crowding style too.

 

Norris had: 70 fights
6 of them under 190lbs
46 of them over 200lbs
His major wins and what he scaled for them :
Snipes = 210lbs
Ferguson=214lbs
Page= 211lbs
McCall =213.25lbs
Tucker= 215lbs

Norris .5" taller than Marciano 2" longer each

Cooper height 5'11.5" reach 78.5" 64 fights.

Twice under 190lbs, 19 under 200lb
Cooper 1" taller than Marciano 9.5" longer reach

s, 43 over 200lbs.
Best wins? Not worth talking about.

Mormeck height 5'11.5" reach 74" Best wins ? Not worth talking about.

1" taller than Marciano 6" longer reach


Ocasio height 5'11.5" reach 74"n/a

Info N/A No wins worth mentioning



Byrd height 6'1.5" reach 74" 47 fights. 3 under 190lbs 44 over 200lbs .Best wins:
V Klit =210.75lbs
Thunder=215lbs
Cooper= 215.75lbs
Ribalta=215lbs

3" taller than Marciano 6" longer reach
Cagey, defensive, boxer.


Moorer height 6'2" reach78" 57 fights. 35 at heavyweight.

None under 210lbs best wins at heavy:
Botha 219lbs
Schulz 222.25lbs
Holyfield 214lbs
Bean 212lbs
Schulz 222.25lbs
Smith 218lbs
Cooper 217lbs

3.5" taller than Marciano 9 " longer reach.

Boxer puncher ,south paw.

 

And he had 17 fights at 195lb or under which was one meal heavier than the 192lb weight Rocky was when he turned pro.

And because Norris could so could Rocky.

And he scaled 188lb After all these wins too!

That's only if you go off box rec. If you go off tale of the tape on the night of the Tucker fight Norris is listed 5'9". Rocky is listed at 5'11" elsewhere too. I mean this is really silly. Arguing over half inches? What's this a haircut? Let's just take the shortest known heights for both. 5'9" Norris 5'10.5" Rocky.
It's the same sized guys!!!

As close as you will get.

 

Yes, but you are making extravagant claims about Marciano could not possibly carry even 205 pounds without being some sort of immobile overdeveloped or fat freak.
That claims seems absurd in light of the fact that he weighed 188 or 189 in some of his fights.
15 or 20 pounds really isn't much.
But you know all this, you simply like to exaggerate. :good

 

Tua doesn't actually look "big framed" in the photos. I notice his heavy musculature rather than a large bone structure.
Wide hips maybe, that's all. He shoulders don't look broad, his limbs are short, his torso is muscled and fleshy, not necessarily an overly large rib cage.

BUT Seamus has met him and notes his large bone structure, so that shows that photos don't tell a whole lot.
I take the anecdotal evidence as good evidence.

On the other hand, Seamus dismisses any anecdotes from people who met Marciano and said he was big-boned, and believes that photos tell him everything.

None of this really matters to me. Marciano was 188 pounds and I don't see the point in imagining otherwise. Obviously he was in shape at 188 pounds.

 

Yeah, there's no steroids in college and pro football.

 

I used to know a lady who lectured in biology at Leeds University, and she explained to me that black folks are more " densely " muscled than white folks. In other words if you took two guys that were the same height and weight, and dissected them into bone, fat, and muscle the weight of the black guys muscle would be more than the white guy. This she explained was the reason ( generally speaking ) that black guys were more suited / better at sports that needed " explosive " bursts of energy. Conversely black guys rarely made the top level at swimming due to the fact that fat, and by extension oxygen are more bouyant than muscle.

So it might well follow on that Norris could gain weight and " carry " that weight better than Marciano.

I might not have got the wording of her explanation exactly right, but that was the gist of it. In any event the word of a university lecturer in biology will do for me over the opinions of fight fans.

 

Marciano never weighed over 189lbs for a title defence and his average weight was 186lbs. Norris has 2 " reach on Marciano.

Tua has a 10" bigger chest than Marciano! His biceps are only 3 "smaller than Marciano's thighs!

The only thing silly here are your ridiculous attempts at spin.

 

I know one guy that was surprised by how small Marciano was. President Dwight Eisenhower.

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Norris lost the decision against Tucker.

"Cooper no wins worth talking about" but fought tougher guys than Norris and beat Norris himself.

 

Norris beat a 38years old Tucker by dec. 1996

The second part of your post is irrelevant,no ones attempting to build up Norris.

 

when Norris was not building himself up he weighed under 195lb 17 times. Are you saying there's "too much difference" between one man who is 186-189 and another who was as comfortable at 187-195??

big deal. Perhaps Norris had longer fingers.

It's not spin. Norris was listed 5'9" according to ESPN tale of the tape.

Norris is as close to Rocky Marcianos measurements as you can get.

Norris did beat Greg Page, Renaldo Snipes, Tony Tucker and Oliver Mcall using a come forward crowding style as a built up heavyweight ...then dropped to 187lb.