Marciano's Body Frame could easily be Tua and Tyson

All the arguing about measurements is a bit silly, since there's no standardised practice in boxing tale of the tapes, or even positive proof that they were measured at all.

A chest might measure 40 inches at one point and 46 inches at a higher point. Likewise, mid-thigh and upper thigh will vary loads.
An arm might be measured relaxed or flexed and vary 2 or 3 inches.

Sometimes measurements are just plain wrong. There's no point arguing about the measurements.

 

Lewis and Tyson both have listed fist as 12 inches. Viali is supposedly 11. Patterson was 12.5.

So Rockys 11.5 is in good company and also means nothing lol

 

I've brought up again and again that Tarver has bigger measurements than Lennox Lewis....it means nothing.

People pick and choose that route when it suits them...and disregard it when it doesn't.

 

Possible irony is that although this thread is about how Marciano would have been so much bigger in the modern era, guys like Tarver probably would have been bigger and fought heavier back in the day. No way someone like Tarver kills himself to make 175 instead of fighting at 190-195 back in the 50s.

 

Can he carry the weight and maintain the same effectiveness using his same methods and strategy? No, is my answer. He would not have the flexibility, the pace or the stamina... and he would very likely be much slower as the rounds wore on.

Please accept the fact that Marciano and his camp knew that his best weight was around 187. As someone said earlier, There's nothing wrong with being a cruiserweight.

 

I repeat the question was and still is, could Marciano physically become the same as Tua and Tyson in stature?

As in the title of the thread:

"Marciano's Body Frame Could Easily Be Tua and Tyson"

You can't win that one, so you've done your usual and circumvented the question by introducing a tangenital one that has nothing to do with the original query.
This is not only extremely disengenous it is deliberately dishonest.

 

No what you brought up was the idea that:

" both Marciano and Tua had huge hands"
Marciano's were measured just prior to the Louis fight, the result was 11.25" Tua's were measured prior to the Lewis fight they are 13", that means there is a 1.75" disparity in their respective sizes and all the weaselling ,and wriggling that you perform will not change that.

BTW. Lewis' fist measures 12", .75" bigger than Marciano's

 

So says the king of the cherry pickers.

 

What it means is that Tua had a fist 1.75" bigger than Marciano's nothing more ,nothing less.

What it means is Mongoose was talking out of his an*s yet again.

 

Can I ask, what's fist size got to do with anything?? Most men I know have bigger hands than me and lots of those are much smaller than me in height, weight and build.

 

The only thing it means is that there is no comparison between Tua's 13" fist and Marciano's 11.25".

 

like Orlin Norris? Wasn't Orlin as effective, flexible at both weights with Rocky dimensions?

There is nothing wrong with being a cruiser weight if all you have access to is traditional training and diet.. That somebody who said that was me. Cruiserweight could be the home of traditionally sized heavyweights under traditional training regime's. That's why before these new training programmes came into being (and most fighters used only traditional methods) most decent big men scaled within the modern cruiser limit. Same guys are heavier under new methods. That's all it is.

Thing is Norris was as effective at both weights once fully grown and so would rocky. Nobody can tell me why Rocky can't do what Norris did with his body if he had access to Orlins programs.

 

If Norris can Rocky can. Norris weighed the same as Tua for some fights and the same as Rocky for some fights. He was as good in both divisions. So IMO yes.

 

What a absurd Marciano nut hugger thread .. he was actually 6 ' 2" BTW ..

 

I do feel that proponents of the size argument, often try to maximize their claimed advantage.

They will take a career low weight for the old timer, and compare it to, a high weight for the modern fighter, often pressing the latter's excess fat into their defense.

They will expound upon the wonders of modern training methods, yet insist that even with them, Marciano could never have weighed more than 190lbs.