Marciano's Body Frame could easily be Tua and Tyson

I'm only here on sufferance with my McVey account ,don't think I could get away with another? Time to go the pub is calling.:hi:

 

I was at Tua's Rahman training camp and saw no weights being used. I'm sure he did some strength conditioning but to suggest he built that physique through extensive weight training would be incorrect. He got dealt the genetic cards for it.

I am suggesting that Charlie Goldman knew more than you or I and that Rocky was the greatest fighter he could be at 187.

 

But Tyson pre-prison trained pretty much just like the 50's guys. It was very much basic, low-tech training. He would have been considered a freak back then. Simply stated, he was naturally larger than Marciano. Tua tòo. Made his debut at about 204 lbs. That's 20 lbs. on Rocky.
Even if he was weight training then, he was a young relatively immature kid still.
Tua and Tyson are simply biğger than Rocky, with or without weight training to aid their cause.

 

'Great' is just an adjective that many attach to describe Rocky; it is not an objective, quantifiable measurement.
I think Tyson found out in Tokyo that 'great' means little when his brain is getting punched in.
While I would certainly agree that Marciano is levels above a Bonecrusher Smith in ability, that extra 40-odd lbs. must count for something.

 

Same with Orlin Norris. He turned pro at 199lb within four years he was 210-227. This is comparable to Tyson.

Yet Norris dropped down to 190. ..then came back up again. Something was different in the gyms and diet compared to Rockys day.

Tyson was smaller when he came out of prison. Many retired champions like Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis, Tony Tucker, bonecrusher Smith have all wasted away into much thinner looking guys from their fighting days. This was not the norm in years gone by where many retired boxers got quite big as they aged.

I'm not saying one way is right or one way is better. I just accept that it's different and to make comparisons we must look at the era a fighter trained in as being responsible for what was considered their natural optimum weight.

 

There were guys like Bonecrusher around in Rockys day. One was called Johny Shkor.

 

I think people overestimate the differences between "old school training" and "modern training and diets".

Of course there IS far more plurality of views on training than there was in the past, and there's more knowledge, and less superstition like "drying out" or the phobias about weight training and "becoming muscle-bound" ..... but the best fighters tend to train the same way there always did for the most part.

They spar, they punch things, they get fit, they get strong.

 

Yeah, Tyson good example, did "old school training".
That's all that's needed.

But there's the possibility of steroids, of course.
I don't believe steroids had made much impact, if any, on boxing in the 1950s, but by the 1980s they would have been used.

 

From my knowledge first hand steroid use was rampant all through many sports during that time. I look with a questionable eye at the fighters with Swarzenegger type muscularity that just does not appear natural.

 

I have little doubt that most of the boxers from the 80's were on something back then, yeah. Especially as weight training became more and more incorporated into training programs.

 

Bob Hazleton lost both legs to steroid abuse in the 1970s. He started juicing after losing to foreman. He said it made a huge difference to his career.he retired Bob Foster from boxing. He said it was wide spred in even his day.


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