Marciano's Body Frame could easily be Tua and Tyson

Is this the Fox??? I'm confused now.....

 

Hey, come on now, even i don't deserve insulting like that!
Foxy would of threatened to burn your house down or some such nonsense.
You're cool in my book Wass and i have never seen you claiming Marciano is no.1 h2h. which a few on here do.

 

Foxy was up for a fight with me,I pm'd him I was going to Seville for a few days for a break.Ive no doubt he would have been happy to have a settler, two old guys going at it lol.We resolved our differences by PM,and I wish him well wherever he currently is.

 

Marciano is not a #1 heavyweight head to head. And for good reason. You cannot make him a starting favourite over as many of the champions in history as you might for other champions like say Ali, Joe Louis or Lennox Lewis.

What you can make Marciano is somebody you cannot entirely rule out as having a "live" outside chance on account if his surprising dependability at the highest level. And it is only the certainty of this point I have ever defended.

On the question that this thread asks "marcianos body frame could easily be Tyson or Tua" look no further than Orlin Norris for the answer.

I still think Orlin Norris is the key to discovering what was achievable with the same height and wingspan as Tua, marciano and Tyson. He turned pro just 2lb different to Tua at the same age and orlins weight throughout his heavyweight career was comparable to Tua yet when oppertunties dried up for him Norris dropped to 187-190 to campaign on a successful cruiser career before returning to heavyweight fringe world class. How does one explain or assess Orlin Norris' natural musculature and bones and no apparent sacrifice in flexibility, speed or pace at either weight class?

Can anybody deny this?

 

If only you could convince Rockyjim, Bummy, Splitnose etc the world would be far better place.

 

How many heavyweights did not lose to somebody worse than, or comparable to, the best fighters that Marciano met?

It is a pretty short list.

I think we have to credit him with a remarkable level of consistency, even compared to other all-time greats.

 

On the other hand you now have Maksim Vlasov.

Former supermiddleweight fighting at 200 lbs now and still looking pretty skinny.
He fought at or below 170 pounds for 10 years! And at 200 he's still looking skinnier than Marciano ever was.

Why wouldn't a modern Marciano just be another weight drainer if he was born in 1990?

Do you think a boxing coach wouldn't laugh his ass off is some t-rex armed slow short small guy came in the gym and said he wants to be the heavyweight champion of the world?
He'd probably tell the guy to start a few weightclasses south first.

 

Some of the claims for what Marciano could do in terms of weight draining seem a little bit farfetched to me.

The argument is effectively that we could combine the most extreme elements of his own 1950s regime, with the most extreme elements of a modern weight draining regime, and somehow produce a viable fighter.

That strikes me as being a bit unlikely.

 

I think that even at cruiserweight he would be significantly heavier today.

A modern trainer might say something like "the game isn’t worth the candle in terms of making light heavyweight, so we have a 200lb limit to play with, and we might as well make full use of it"

 

No money at 175?

But somehow at 200?

The CW division is a wasteland for money unless you're Eastern European/German.

 

There would be money in it, but he might find it so detrimental to make the weight, that he simply avoided the battle and campaigned at cruiser.