Marciano's Largest opponent (Ht & wt)?

Who among the men we've been discussing throws lumbering punches? You may want to take a break from the 30s footage some time and check out how skilled, mobile big men like Tucker, Douglas, Tubbs, Holmes, Carl Williams, etc. punched in the 80s.

 

You guys think this size difference is enough to dismiss Marcianos chances against Klitschko?

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Carnera was at 270lb for this fight. Loughran was 185

 

I had Fury and Klitschko in mind.

 

Interestingly, Carnera fought almost 20 1990's sized heavyweights. He knocked out almost all of them, but also lost to guys smaller than 200lb.

 

Doesn't history prove that size is not the determining factor?

Haven't we witnessed first hand proof of this all over youtube?

Wasn't Tyson knocking out giants when he weighted in the 215-220lb range?

 

It's something that should be proved not something that should be assumed imo.

 

Apples and oranges. Wlad is far more skilled, more powerful, and more athletic than Carnera and far better at using his size to neutralize smaller opponents. And from what I understand, Loughran wasn't as easy to hit as Marciano.

 

Tyson was a giant by 1950's standards. And the crucial difference between Tyson and Marciano was SPEED. Speed of hand and foot. Tyson got in range using his speed while Marciano employed a stoic, relentless pursuit, but one not based on any speed. Despite some clever elusiveness (which is very overstated here), he came forward low and slow, took his shots in order to get in range. That is a strategy I just don't see working in today's game against these athletic big men. Maybe against a shell of Joe Louis...

 

5"10 215lb Tyson is a giant in 1950 standards?


Is Mayweather slow too? He stands up straight often, and often takes small steps.

Look, he barely makes it around the ring 3 times in round 2.
https://youtu.be/1KhBzF6UX_0?t=16m3s

Or are we judging speed by how fast you can dance around the ring? Then yeah, Ali puts him to shame.

Marciano being slow is an asinine statement. He's in constant motion. He's never just sitting there. If his feet are planted, he's moving his head. His punches travel very long distances in a very short amount of time with lots of power. He's dynamite.

If Tyson was filmed with 50's cameras, and you only saw his fights starting at the same age as Marciano when his footage was available, I wonder if you would consider him to be fast? Somehow I doubt it.

 

He is a big heavyweight by 1950s standards, but he is still a short heavyweight, with a short reach.

Let’s not forget that.

 

Mayweather doesn't fight against guys who have 40+ pounds, 8" of height and a foot of reach over him. That is a truly asinine comparison. May needed merely to close a matter of inches, hold his zone and control the angle, all of which he did masterfully. Put Mayweather in with David Haye and none of that works.

And are you going to argue with Charlie Goldman? He even said Marciano was slow. Is this the new revisionism, that Marciano was some sort of speed demon? I love keeping up with the kids. Do tell more.

Let me know your experience when you step in to spar with a guy who outweighs you by 40 pounds and is 7 inches taller than you. All things being equal between the two of you, it's a barrel of laughs.

 

Wow.

 

Don't forget that according to Marciano's brother-in-law, he only got into boxing because he was too slow to play catcher.

 

Marciano is slower than many of his peers, but I think you exaggerate this tremendously by saying he couldn't catch Tony Tubbs. Even Ali knows Marciano would bring a brawl to him.

If I had the size and skill of Marciano, I gladly would.

 

I've always agreed with the idea that Marciano's style and dimensions combined does not suit fighting and beating much bigger fighters of quality.
He didn't have the height and reach and foot speed of Dempsey.
Frazier too was faster on his feet coming forward.
Tyson was about the same speed as Frazier, but hands were even faster.
Tyson and Frazier had longer arms than Marciano. And Dempsey's arms were much longer.
Marciano would have less chance of closing the gap than any of the above.

On the other hand, I can't see him losing to guys like Berbick, Snipes or Tubbs.