Marciano's overlooked defensive techniques (video)

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Perhaps...but I don't undertsand why H2H is so imortant to some. Let's judge them by what they did in their own eras and leave it at that.

 

You might just be the only guy in here who didn't "get it". Any attempt to make sure the 5% minority got it (By dumbing it down) would have detracted from it for the other 95%. He went the right way, i laffed mys arse off!

 

You don't get to 49-0-0 without some sort of a defence. This GREAT video only goes to prove that fact.

Of course some will still say Marciano was a Mafia boy and that all his wins were due to dives.... even after watching this video.

I'm more fond of Rocky's lightning fast offense to be honest. Amazing how such a "slow" puncher could hit with such power.

For CP's next video compilation, I'd suggest a highlight reel of some of his HUGE power on offense. It would compliment this piece of work nicely!

 

... but you can't just be a 'shoe in' for the best few ever just by going 49-0. IMO there's much more to ranking fighters than either just mere stats, or myth etc. There are various factors that need to be taken into consideration.

Other people see it that way too ...

 

Against who?

Rocky knocked the head to head, head off of who was available. I guess you are going to come on here and tell us he couldn't have done it against others?

Based on what?... did the guys go 49-0?

 

I know he was a great in his own era and beat some game opponents, however I don't think it's unreasonable to state that more than a few fighters would likely have Rocky's number head-to-head. I'm not lecturing anybody just showing a dose of realism. I suppose it depends if you view stylistic analysis and fantasy matchups as being relevant in rating fighters. I do.

If you honestly think that a natural 180-odd pounder is going to just stroll into the ring and knock the head off the likes of Tyson, Liston, Lewis and Foreman then you're being deluded. Infact these guys present a pretty sizable uphill task for Marciano.

 

Do you have any PROOF, Marciano couldn't have done to these guys what he did to so many others?

If so, provide their, presumed (on your own part), VAST advantage against Marciano.

 

Socco's blissful ignorance and inablity to even peek at the other side of a discussion is hilarious.

*Cue broken record ALS joke*

 

PROOF does indeed mean PROOF

If you can't provide it, chances are you can't provide any PROOF that any Rocky opponent was suffering from the EARLIEST stages of ALS... Kinda like a guy/gal (I've no clue regarding sex) named Russell

 

Every know a woman named Russell, ******?

It seems like you're in the early stages of ALS, along with a few other disorders coursing through the ancient, saggy body. :tired

 

Could be a Russellette for all I know. I was simply being mindful of what a poster may or may not be, nothing more.

 

And in my humble opinion H2H is the least relevant of those factors.
Let's look at this.

Today's Joe Heavyweight is naturally bigger than heavyweights of 40,50 years ago.
They also have the advantage of over a century's worth of knowledge in training, nutrition and fighting techniques that the boxing folks over that last century have pioneered and saved for posterity.
Not to mention the advances in sports supplements (like protein drinks and energy drinks etc.) and the undoubted use of steroids and other drugs that are part of sports culture today.

Yet, somehow you think it perfectly acceptable to ignore all those advantages and pit two fighters from vastly different eras in the same ring? And judge 'greatness' accordingly? :blood

We all have our own set of criteria to judge greatness, but pitting two fighters in some fantsay matchup that is going to clearly favour one fighter (if you take into account the current rule set) is, to me, pointless.

PS-What happens if in 40 years the average heavyweight is a 6'8", 290 lb. freak with genetically modified reflexes and strength? Do we wipe out the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Ali etc. from top 10 lists the world over simply because some brute could probaby flatten them?

 

Sorry for the delay in replying. Anyway I was given some task's in work which needed to be undertook then and there, they took a while to complete. Done now, anyway here's my analysis:


Ali: Outslicks Marciano to take a pretty wide decision. Marciano is a 'live' threat all the way in this one, but the thread would be nullified by Ali's speed, footwork skill and ability to dig deep. Ali as the immovable object has to be heavily favoured here. Ali UD.

Foreman: Think of the first Frazier beatdown and you're along the right sort of line. Once Foreman lands (and it's enevitable) Marciano would be badly shook up, efforts to make it an inside trenchwarfare would be thwarted by Foreman pushing him away, and into firing range. Marciano was durable and had undoubted heart but he's going to be plain outpowered and overwhelmed here. Foreman TKO3.

Liston: Marciano's going to bore in straight at Liston. Big mistake given the gulf in size and strength. Liston has the better skills, more concussive power and killer uppercut. As well as a mean jab which is going to land with frequency. The ref steps in to intervene after a couple of knockdowns with Rocky cut and too dazed to continue. Liston TKO4.

Holmes: Outboxes Rocky, on way to a clear UD after Perhaps suffering a scare or two along thew way. Larry's too durable, too skilled and would pepper Marciano with jabs, uppercuts and combinations all night long. Marciano might score a knockdown or two but Holmes is at his best under adversary and would pull through in the end. Holmes UD.

Lewis: Lennox was at his most dangerous when facing a opponent he sensed could be a danger, so he'd be on his guard. He doesn't have to go after Marciano recklessly and has more ways to win than Rocky does. He'd wait for Marciano to come to him then establish his superior strength, weaponary and skill. Once he does Marciano would be systematically picked appart and beaten to the punch. It's a similar story to Liston and Foreman, Rocky would be simply overpowered and outmatched in every area. Lewis TKO3.

Tyson: Tyson is perhaps the best starter (and finisher) in the history of the division, he would startle the much smaller man with his speed, evasiveness, and power. Very few strung together better combinations than Tyson did whilst at his peak and there's no way Marciano is holding off the juggernaught for long enough to gain a foothold in the contest. Once Tyson gets to the inside (and he would eventually) where he's deadly with those uppercuts, bodypunching and quickfire combinations Marciano is fighting for survival. His durability would take him through to the mid-rounds but eventually the bout is stopped after a number of knockdowns, with Marciano batter, bruised and in no fit state to fight on. Tyson TKO6.

 

Regardless of who this is in reply to... I think a good compliment to this GREAT compilation is a similar compilation regarding a Rocky offense. A great deal of the dense don't understand what a HUGE punch involves.... if CP does this, it should solve the mystery for that one as well.