Marciano's Thoughts on Sonny Liston

A steaming pile.

Didn't Walcott retire after the Marciano rematch?

If he were "fighting at his peak", as you assert, then why retire?

 

lol...

 

So, you are saying Walcott was fighting at his peak when he was 29 years old, as most fighters are? Or are you denying that Walcott was not his best career streak from 1947 up to Marciano?

 

Marciano couldn't hold Holmes' jock strap.

 

"Mongoose, you are a clown. "

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"Of course Marciano was going to develope a style that allowed him to crowd and succeed against larger men as your clip of him fighting a 37 year old Joe Louis shows. What else was he going to do, out jab them ? This is exactly why he would not match up well against the best of the much bigger men."

:huh That's like going from A to E to B isn't it?


"Love the comparisons with Satterfiled and how you and a few here try to make Rex Layne , who is not a top seventy all time heavyweight, into a major victory for Rocky."

I recall you making a similar point at cyberboxingzone only to get owned by everyone there with a clue. Why do you think this will be any different?

So the fight that suddenly vaulted Marciano into the limelight and into the Championship scene was not a major victory? Rex Layne was coming off celebrated upsets over Walcott and Satterfield, and was well tested against tough seasoned fighters like Turkey Thompson and Henry Hall. He was regarded by many as the rightful number one contender to Ezzard Charles' crown and was a considerable favorite against a mostly untested prospect like Marciano. Of course you know all this already but yet you continue to play the fool. For years this has gotten you nowhere....kind of sad. But I'm curious as to what drives a man like you...revenge, hate, repressed love perhaps?


" Anyone remember that Satterfiled was a light heavy ?"

Cleveland Williams and Bob Baker probably don't...I mean knockouts like this have to effect your short-term memory just a little.


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"You then compare Marciano as a top contender and champion fighting Savold and Cockell, two plodding catchers with a ninteen year old Tyson fighting Quick Tillis, a 6' 3", 215 pound boxer/puncher, as if the experience of the fighter in question and the style of the opponent he was matched up against were irrevelant. Try a little more research and fleshing out of arguments and a lot less self praise. Then maybe you wont embarrass yourself. "

Someone missed the point but I can't say I'm surprised. At any rate, I love Tyson but what the hell...you brought this on him, not me.

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Better knocked out by a journeyman than look sloppy after facial reconstruction surgery against the #2 contender in the world.

 

+1

 

Stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm asking a question; IF Walcott was "fighting at his peak" @ age 37 then why retire @ age 39?

 

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Because sometimes...the shoe fits.

 

You have some nerve saying this when the same applies to you when you argue for Frazier. Why the obvious double standard?

 

But this is not some great strike against Marciano. Pound for pound he is echelons above McCall or Bruno. He is just not a HEAVYWEIGHT by modern standards. Some people find this very hard to swallow. We hear the "He would be 210 pounds with modern training"... which if you look at his stumpy physique you know that kind of weight would have hindered him and made him look akin to a late-stage Bobby Czyz... or the "He fought giants like Harry Matthews 6 foot 4" and he was 178 pounds. Sorry, there is a difference between the kind of athletes recruited enmasse in the 1930's, 40s and 50's and those in the 80's, 90's and 00's. This fact only applies to the heavyweight division. It is unique because over the years it is the only division that has been elastic, and amazingly so. 40 years ago 195 pounders were routinely challenging for the championship. Now, even the thought of that thought would be ridiculous.

 

How much has the missing 3 rounds contributed to the "elasticity" of the HW division?

What happens when you ask these 250lb fighters to fight for 15 rounds?

 

Definitely a component to the argument. I'll ask one of the two guys who were able to go 12 rounds with Vitali Klitschko (with neither winning a single round on more than one scorecards) if they they would have KO'd him in the 13th thru 15th.

 

There's no need to visit the graveyard and dig up the dead. :smooch

lol...

 

Excellent Post :good

 

thank you, the inconsistency is astounding.