MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA: best resume of the past 15 years, other than Oscar?

Arriba · Oct 6, 2008

PACFAN84 said:

Even though Barrera beat Morales?
Even though Pac beat Morales more than Morales beat Pac?

Even though Barrera beat Juarez who beat Raheem who beat Morales?!
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-head explodes-

Morales said he was driven to beat Pac mainly because MAB couldn't...and that it almost counted like another win over EM.

Gotta love those two *******s

Arriba · Oct 6, 2008

Markusdarkus said:

Bernard Hopkins has a better resume.

Minus the Welterweights.
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James Toney has a great resume too.

RJJ, Iran Barkley, Holyfield, Jirov, Rahman, Michael Nunn and Mike McCallum to name a few.

dangerousity · Oct 6, 2008

Markusdarkus said:

Bernard Hopkins has a better resume.

Minus the Welterweights.
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- the WW's?

OK, MAB has 2 ATG FW's on his wins, a few HOF'ers in there too. Tell me, how many ATG MW's does Hopkins have? Hopkins is severely overrated.

DINAMITA · Oct 6, 2008

Arriba said:

James Toney has a great resume too.

RJJ, Iran Barkley, Holyfield, Jirov, Rahman, Michael Nunn and Mike McCallum to name a few.
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Toney does have a tremendous resume. He packed more great wins into a 3-year period (91-94) than most of his contemporaries managed in an entire career. His resume is slightly better than Hopkins's.

I think the top 5 resumes around just now are:

1.De La Hoya
1=Barrera
3.Morales
4.Toney
5.Trinidad

or something like that. Holyfield isn't active anymore.

DINAMITA · Oct 6, 2008

Markusdarkus said:

Bernard Hopkins has a better resume.

Minus the Welterweights.
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Why would you remove his best win, and one of the top 3 wins of this century so far? (TITO)

Scratch Hagler's wins over Hearns and Duran, and Monzon's win over Griffith and Napoles off their resumes as well then.

Idiot atsch

Auracle21 · Oct 6, 2008

so it doesnt matter if you win or lose? that makes no sense. i mean the whole point of fighting the best is to beat them and take the crown yourself. if you lose you are just another cat trying to make it to the top. in that vein trinidad and hopkins both have MUCH better resumes than de la hoya. not to mention both beat him. but barrera has a good one.

JMP · Oct 6, 2008

Markusdarkus said:

Beating guys that come up in weight dont carry much weight.

Pacturd84.
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atsch

NALLEGE · Oct 6, 2008

PACFAN84 said:

Of the fighters who began their careers in the past 15 years or so, those who started on the paths to greatness as the careers of the 1980s greats like Whitaker and Chavez were winding down, has anyone other than Oscar De La Hoya had as good a resume as Marco Antonio Barrera?

In fact, does Barrera possibly have a case for having an even better resume than Oscar, when losses are taken into account? I think Oscar probably does shade it, but it's close IMO.

I think Barrera's resume is marginally better than Morales's, or anyone else around from the early 1990s til now.

Marco Antonio Barrera: The Resume 63 wins, 6 losses, 42 KOs

best wins

- Kennedy McKinney 1996
Fight Of The Year contender, Barrera defeats the excellent McKinney by flooring him multiple times on way to a stoppage win. McKinney stopped Junior Jones a year later

- Naseem Hamed 2001
Truly one of the greatest victories of the 21st century. Hamed was a feared KO artist and a top 10 p4p status fighter. Barrera moved up in weight and made a mockery of his underdog billing, as he outthought and outfought Hamed en route to a sensational UD

- Erik Morales 2002
Another incredible win, Barrera gained redemption for losing their 2000 clash by edging a victory here against a fellow legend

- Johnny Tapia 2002
Barrera confidently outpoints 3-weight world champion HOFer Johnny Tapia. It was only Tapia's 3rd loss in 57 fights, the other 2 being to Paulie Ayala...

- Paulie Ayala 2004
Fighter of the Year 1999, holding 2 wins over Johnny Tapia, Ayala had dropped a points decision to Erik Morales 2 years previously - Barrera dropped him 3 times en route to a 10th round TKO. Ayala never fought again.

- Erik Morales 2004
Rivals Hamed as MAB's best win. Barrera runs out the winner in one of the greatest trilogies of all-time, taking a decision over Morales in an incredible fight. Barrera is now a legend.

- Robbie Peden 2004
Unanimous decision win over a man who had stopped current lightweight champion Nate Campbell twice in 2 of his last 3 fights before meeting MAB. This was vintage Barrera, pushing hard for a stoppage near the end of an excellent performance.

- Rocky Juarez 2006
Barrera defied age to impose himself upon the younger, naturally bigger Juarez in their rematch. Juarez had given the older Barrera a difficult time in their first fight, but Barrera, in his last great performance, outboxed and outskilled a guy with wins over the likes of Zahir Raheem and Guty Espadas Jr on the resume.

losses

- Junior Jones 1996-7
Simply a horrible stylistic match-up for MAB. He was the Norton to Barrera's Ali, the Forrest to Barrera's Mosley (and Mayorga to Barrera's Forerst). This was confirmed when both Kennedy McKinney and Erik Morales stopped Jones in 1997-8.

- Erik Morales 2000
This fight was far far too close to be called a robbery or an injustice, but many (I included) thought Barrera edged this one. Even though he lost, Barrera impressed in this fight, giving the previously unbeaten El Terrible a torrid time when he was widely expected to lose.

- Manny Pacquiao 2003
Beaten by the better man in this one, quite simply. Dominated and stopped by a whirlwind of a challenger who would go on to become the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world.

losses when well past-prime

- Juan Manuel Marquez 2007
Barrera has shown in the 1st Juarez fight that he was definitely on the slide after a very long career by modern standards. Barrera was beaten unanimously, but again he impressed, flooring Marquez and being highly competitive against one of the world's elite.

- Manny Pacquiao 2007
MAB was clearly shot by this point, offering very little in an attacking sense as he was widely outpointed by his nemesis. No shame in reaching the final bell in this one, but the MAB of old has clearly gone for good.

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Barrera only lost 4 times in his pomp, 2 of those against the bad stylistic match of Junior Jones, a guy not in Barrera's league. His other 2 losses were to ATGs at their peak, Erik Morales and Manny Pacquiao.

His best wins were against Morales (twice) and Hamed - three magnificent victories.

I think of the last 15 or so years, only Morales has a resume of comparable quality, but I give Barrera a slight edge over El Terrible as Barrera won their series 2-1, even though I believe Morales's win over Pacquiao is a single better win than anything on Morales's resume. It is very close between these two, there is a case to be made for either man, but I go with Barrera.

Do you think there has been anyone over the past 15 or so years other than De La Hoya with a resume to match that of MAB??
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Yes, James Toney and Roy Jones for starters...

Arriba · Oct 6, 2008

Auracle21 said:

so it doesnt matter if you win or lose? that makes no sense. i mean the whole point of fighting the best is to beat them and take the crown yourself. if you lose you are just another cat trying to make it to the top. in that vein trinidad and hopkins both have MUCH better resumes than de la hoya. not to mention both beat him. but barrera has a good one.
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It does if you look at the context of a resume.

Oscar's losses to Mosley are both disputed. How disputed? Mosley himself thought he lost the 2nd fight. His loss to Tito is hilariously awful (and I'm a BIG BIG Tito fan). His only real clear definitive loss was the KAYO to Hopkins and the decision to Floyd.

A resume is about WHO you fought before anything else. If you go 44-0 with your best win being Andre Tskurkan, it's not any better than a guy whose 22-22 with his best loss being a close decision against Vernon Forrest.

PH|LLA · Oct 6, 2008

imo Roy JOnes has the best resume of the past 15 years.

Better than Oscar too

Arriba · Oct 6, 2008

Pharaoh said:

imo Roy JOnes has the best resume of the past 15 years.

Better than Oscar too
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And yet they got the nerve to say he ain't fight nobody

Spitbucket · Oct 6, 2008

Pharaoh said:

imo Roy JOnes has the best resume of the past 15 years.

Better than Oscar too
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DINAMITA · Oct 7, 2008

Markusdarkus said:

Beating guys that come up in weight dont carry much weight.

Pacturd84.
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You are a JOKE!

DINAMITA · Oct 7, 2008

NALLEGE said:

Yes, James Toney and Roy Jones for starters...
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Roy Jones?? Erm, no. He is a superior fighter p4p yes, has some great wins yes, but is his overall resume as strong as Barrera's? No.

smiffy · Oct 7, 2008

couldn't agree more . if you ask me what type of style fighter do i love most, i'd say go and watch this man.

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