Marco Antonio Barrera helps break down Pacquiao VS Mayweather (Video)

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    JMM's success against Pacquiao depended almost entirely on in-range lateral movement used to displace Pacquiao's legs' momentum and use it against him. Almost entirely. He matches Pacquiao's rhythm, and times punches in-between Pac's own combinations. Moment-to-moment negotiation of distance and reaction counter-punching.

    On that note, Pacquiao's success has based itself on his opponent's ability to use just that. Improperly strategically prepared Cotto was not even making sure to keep his lead orthodox foot outside of Manny's southpaw lead foot, and fell into the trap of being turned consistently; as was a drained and faded De La Hoya, as was Hatton, as was Margarito. The lateral movement defense was the key. Hence Mosley being able to make Pac miss a good amount of punches and Nazim yelling about solving Pac from the corner like an Orangutang woken from anesthesia applied during open-back surgery. Shane was running, sure, but he was turning Pac by moving laterally in-range.

    Pacquiao hasn't fought a right-handed fighter in a while, it's true, but the question on whether the way he sets up his offense will be able to catch Mayweather consistently will answer subsequent questions about how he will deal with the right hand. The thing is, nobody here is saying Pacquiao will definitely beat Mayweather, or vice-versa, but that the dynamics of their defensive/offensive footwork are key factors; how that right hand is set up to counter Pacquiao, not just the fact that it exists and is used well in other fights from the opponent.
     
  2. Gander Tasco

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    ^ Yes . The point is that Floyd becomes a stationary target when he's attacked. Anytime he goes into a defensive mode he plants his feet , and becomes stationary. Marquez was constantly active, moving , in and out of Pacquiao rythm. Floyd is very mechanical compared to him; and he does have a habit of fighting in lines. It's apples and oranges.
     
  3. MichiganWarrior

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    When Morales fought Pacquiao he caught Pacquiao's punches on his gloves then retaliated with precise right hands, as Mayweather would do.



    Its hilarious that you and bogotzo keep ignoring this fight and keep going back to the Marquez fight. :rofl
     
  4. MichiganWarrior

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    And who has better footwork, Mayweather or Marquez?
     
  5. MarioBrothers

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    because the marquez 2 fight was more recent, every fighter doesn't fight like he used to 5-10 years ago if so martinez would still suck and roy jones would still be dominating everyone
     
  6. Rexrapper 1

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    Floyd can beat Manny in 2 different ways. 1. Fight him close and cut off his distance. Manny needs distance. He HAS to jump in, get off, and jump out. If Floyd cuts off his distance with his better footwork Manny will go backwards and not throw. 2. Move. Manny's angles work if you give him distance to get off his punches. You move and Manny will look sloppy as hell. Floyd's right hand lead will land like crazy on Manny. Its not that hard to see.
     
  7. Bogotazo

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    Prime for Prime, I'd say about even.

    If that bothers you too much, then I'd say that even if Floyd has the more efficient footwork and foot-placement, Marquez has the more fluid and dynamic lateral footwork. The way Marquez punches while going backwards and steps back and to the side so quickly and accurately while countering is just not Floyd's style.

    The point is not which one is better, but how they are different, and how that will factor into a fight against Pac's specific maneuvers.
     
  8. boxbox

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    Mab breakin this down is a hell lot more credible than those pretendin to know baxing!
     
  9. MichiganWarrior

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    Disagree. We've seen Mayweather and Marquez fight eachother and it was clear Mayweather had the better footwork. It is also obvious in how many time Marquez has been caught out of position and knocked down.
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    :lol: Check hook? You do know that one of Mayweathers most recognizable punches is the check hook, where he backs up, waits for his opponent to commit, lands the left hook then swivels out of harms way. I mean its how he knocked out Hatton.


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D07BhmI-d1g[/ame]



    Seriously have you ever seen Mayweather fight?
     
  10. Gander Tasco

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    The Morales fight just proves our point further. He used a lot of lateral movement in that fight. He basically adopted Marquez strategy , he said so himself.

    The best way to compare is to watch that fight or one of the Marquez fights, then watch Floyd fight any 3 of the southpaws he's faced. It becomes pretty obvious that Morales and Floyd don't fight anything alike. Morales/ Marquez are fluid, more tradional boxers , wheras Floyd is more of a potshot artist .. .he's a lot more mechanical. They also happen to be great combination punchers, which Floyd isn't.
     
  11. MichiganWarrior

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    :lol: No he didnt. Go watch the fight again. He fought basically in straight lines. Infact he stood right infront of Pacquiao the majority of the time.


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiash8PlGRg[/ame]



    Please show me where this lateral movement is. :roll:

    Watch at 3:55 of the video. Watch how Morales loads up on the right hand and lands it repeatedly.


    Morales throws the same combination. The jab and right hand. Most of the time he doesnt even throw the jab he starts with the lead right.


    Have you seen this fight?
     
  12. Bogotazo

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    A past-prime Marquez forced into coming forward out of his stylistic element with at least six pounds of improperly added muscle against the best defensive boxer currently around fighting in his own natural weight class who has every advantage in height and reach tells us nothing about how their footwork would vary in effectiveness against a common opponent. Nothing. It's irrelevant. Don't act like Hatton didn't stumble Floyd early in their fight, and that Judah didn't make Floyd touch the canvas. Marquez has to commit to his counter-punches more because of his relatively average height and reach, but don't act like getting knocked down means you have bad footwork.

    That check hook was a great move there, but it's a punch thrown from a stationary position directly in front of a straight-lined Hatton, and he moves away after he's already tagged him. We're not claiming that Mayweather is a flat-footed brawler with no movement. I'm saying that Floyd's offense and defense depends on the same aligned angle, right in front of him, and that he doesn't consistently move laterally in-range.
     
  13. Bogotazo

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    And for the love of God STOP POSTING THAT FIGHT, IT'S SO OLD AND IRRELEVANT.
     
  14. Scrap21

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    I agree Floyd's overly cautious approach could work against him against Pac. Floyd has very quick reflexes but you notice how he almost always reacts with slight movements or feints. Pac is the best at feinting in boxing he does it with his feet and sets up that lethal left hand. pretty much every opponent he faces falls for it and I'm 100% sure a guy like Mayweather will.
     
  15. MichiganWarrior

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    Past prime? :rofl
    Watch from 3:30 of the video when Mayweather starts pressing for the knockout. Marquez is just as easily outclassed when Mayweather is on the attack.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvPPKunjnAw[/ame]
    Yep 6 pounds is what did it. :lol:
    Marquez is known for being caught off balance and knocked down. He seems to get knocked down in every other fight.


    Mayweather has never been knocked down. Mayweather has been caught off balance maybe once in his career against Judah.


    If Mayweather outclassin Marquez in every area doesnt tell you about footwork, then that should.
    :lol: This is how I can tell you have no idea what you are talking about.


    Hatton launched a jab, Mayweather dodged it, and Mayweather while going backwards tripped over Hattons foot. The fact that despite being tripped and dodging a punch at the same time he kept his balance, is a testament to his athleticism.



    This is what we call a pull counter. Its a punch Marquez doesnt have the speed, athleticism nor footwork to use. Not his fault, maybe a handful of boxers in history can

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