Marco Antonio Barrera helps break down Pacquiao VS Mayweather (Video)

I.E you have no answer for it.



Morales did nothing but throw right hands and move forward and back and whipped Pacquiao's ass.



You established a premise that Floyd would have to fight a certain way to beat Pacquiao and you were proven wrong. Your boxing knowledge is significantly lacking.

 

Ok #1 , Pac was raw as hell in this fight . As bogotazo said, it's irrelevant. The difference between pac now and then is like night and day. If you wanna be more credible in your argument use the 2nd Marquez fight as an example, which is a BETTER example of how to fight Pac, and it's much more recent. And if you talk to Morales he'd tell you he studied the 1st Marquez-Pac fight to death.

Jim Lampley: "Morales didn't just study the Marquez fight, he adopted it."


#2 Morales did use a lot of lateral movement in that fight. Your just watching highlights. He circled the ring constantly and stayed away from Pacquiao power hand (left ) . And mostly because Pac was a one handed fighter at that time. It's obvious how different the second fight looked once Pacquaio developed a right hand.


#3 Morales brawled with Pac throughout the fight. He fought toe to toe with him, something FLoyd would never do. He threw combinations, and countered Pacquiao's aggression with his own.

Even if you were to use this fight an example, it still doesn't make the case any better for Floyd. He and Morales fight absolutely nothing alike

Watch this footage (not highlights) of Floyd against Judah:

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Where do you see any similarities to Morales ? The point we've been making, and what Barrera made (who I can assure you is smarter then all of us when it comes to boxing) is that Floyd is a bit of a stationary target when he's in a defensive mode. He plants his feet and goes into a shell. This is just a stylistic habit of his. And if you notice in this footage, Floyd is giving almost no lateral movement at all. He's staying flat footed and fighting in lines. You can see the same thing in the Corley and Mitchell fights, and I'll bet you you'll see the same thing in the Ortiz fight. This is not the way to fight Pacquiao.

 

Excuse. We heard the same thing when Pacquiao fought Marquez the 2nd time. What happens he gets his ass whipped again.


Technically Pacquiao has shown very little improvement over the years. He's a little better defensively, a little better at feinting. But he still gets busted up in most of his fights. Still lunges in out of position. Still struggles to fight an opponent who goes backwards. And from just what 3 years ago when he fought Marquez, still incredibly vulnerable to fighters who primarily lead with the right hand.

You only want me to use the 2nd Marquez fight because the Morales fight disproves the thesis that you need movement and a variety of attack to beat Pacquiao.


Face it, Morales stood right in front of Pacquiao, with little movement and crushed him. You have no answer for it but to say it was awhile ago. :good

I've seen the fight a dozen times. What attracted me to this fight was how similar Morales was to Mayweather offensively, its why Morales is one of my favorite fighters now. I saw alot of Floyd in Morales from his stance to how he leads off with his attack.


The highlight shows all of Morales assaults, Morales was fought 90% of the fight going forwards and backwards.


No need to lie. :nono

He did occassionally. But its like saying Floyd brawled with Corley. In reality one guys throwing punches and getting them all blocked (Pacquiao) and the other guy is landing precise counters. Brawling is when both guys are trading blows. That really wasnt the case. Morales would block Pacquiao's right with his left tucked under his chin and respond with precise right hands to Pacquiao's dome. Morales out techniqued Pacquaio from within range.


Oh and its something Floyd could most certainly do. He's done it his entire career. He catches your punches on his gloves, then responds with precise counters. He did it to Marquez who threw 3-4-5 punch combinations in a row, and he did it easily.

Judah is a southpaw counter puncher. Pacquiao is not. Pacquiao is aggressive. Judah is defensive. atsch

Nope. Wrong again. His feet are constantly moving.

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Watch his feet. Watch how he is constantly pivoting. Watch his upper body, how its contantly bending and contorting to dodge punches and catch punches on his gloves.


Mayweather is certainly not stationary, every move he makes is deliberate and to the point.

 

While your gone. Go watch the Morales fight, watch how Morales lands right hands repeatedly on Pacquiao's noggin, watch how he attacks and defends in straight lines.


Then convince yourself that was a long time ago.

 

Michigan I'm not gonna argue with you , we've beaten that horse enough. I'd rather talk to a brick wall tbh. Your still missing the point entirely. And your blatantly ignoring certain things we've said to support ur argument.

btw, Yes Floyd is stationary in all of those gifs u just posted. Upper body movement isn't the same as lateral movement. And your criticizing me for using the Judah example, yet you go and post an example from the Marquez fight which would have absolutely no similarities to a Pacquiao fight. Judah is at least a southpaw. And I said that you can look at the Corley and Mitchell fights and see the exact same behavior from Floyd. The Ortiz fight coming up will prove the point further.

 

atsch Umm I said watch his footwork, watch how he pivots, watch how he reasserts his position.


And as I've proven with the Morales fight, you dont need to have lateral movement to **** Pacquiao's world.



Once again you're only seeing what you want to see bra. :thumbsup



EDIT: Btw, the only thing Barrera said about lateral movement is staying outside the Southpaws right foot which is obvious and everyone does it against Southpaws.


I dont know why you *******s think this is a sudden knew revelation in fighting southpaws.

 

Thats a reference to Pacquiao tactics vs Mayweather. We are talking about Mayweather tactic vs Pacquiao. atsch


And I saw the vid. And if Pacquiao overcommits on Mayweather shell like Barrera wants him to his going to get flattened.




Again Morales vs Pacquiao 1. Go watch it. Watch how little spinning Morales does to get Pac in position.



Sorry bud, I know its hurts. :good

 

If Mayweather won't use the clinch excessively I can easily envision him losing either via KO (unlikely) or on points.
Pac's mobility and ability to feint and mix up his punches is way underrated here.
Mayweather often banks on 3 things to win fights:

1. His natural reflexes.
2. His ring IQ (i.e. figuring out his opponent's style)
3. His opponents running out of other plans

Number 1 is dead even for both fighters.
Numbers 2 and 3 will be challenged immensely since Pac has 3 things as well that will bother FMJ:

1. His endless pool of stamina and heart (keep pressure on even while getting hit).
2. Ability to throw precise, quick and off rhytmn and hard hitting combinations from the southpaw stance.
3. Freddie Roach.

 

Oh he's actually being more updated like this.
Pretty soon he will mention that Pac lost (and got KO'd) 2x in his career already.
You know, that time when he was still a teenager, immenesely green, had no proper training, conditioning and nutrition altogether, and with no resonable and world class experience under his belt.

But at the same time they will all comforably forget that during Floyd's teenage years, even with a top caliber team on his side, he lost more matches to Pac already (his amateur years).

Floyd a G.

 

I'll say this...i do see the point about him being stationary when in defensive mode....but Floyd also counters VERY WELL in that position and often times hits you with shots you dont see.....just as dangerous as it is for him to stand still it is just as dangerous for Pac to think he can open up without paying a price.

I guess you can say they both hold the same risk in this moment. Atleast to me because your mistkaen if you think Floyd won't counter Pac when he opens up like that.

Another thing is when Pac bounces back out....i gurantee you Floyd will shoot right back because pac often times bounces back out and is wide open.....JMM caught him a good bit of times like that.

 

In fact, I wouldn't put it past it if Floyd utilized a style that somewhat emulated JMM's with his own spin. Just because he's been more stationary doesn't mean he can't do it. Who knows, it might all be a big feint but we'll see when he fights Ortiz.