Marcos Geraldo Questions

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've heard he that Marcos either deserved the decision against Hagler, or a draw. Not sure how accurate this was, but the cards were close.

    There's also a poster that was ringside for the Hearns/Geraldo fight and said Marcos tanked the fight.

    How good was Marcos?

    Anyone know anything about the Hagler decision?
     
  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbZE8bZDB_0[/ame]

    Definitely looks like he went down too easy against Hearns.
    Reg Gutteridge commentating does a job of hyping it up on the replay, but it doesn't look particularly convincing.
    But then again Hearns had terrific power.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sfyQFh8Ja8[/ame]


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYMi1cNM5s&feature=related[/ame]


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTPgHGSWhFw&feature=related[/ame]
     
  4. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was following boxing when the Marvin-Geraldo fight occured, and I don't remember any talk to the effect that it was a robbery. Allegedly Marvin won convincingly, although people were surprised he didn't get a knockout over Geraldo, who was relatively unknown at the time.
     
  5. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Geraldo stunned Leonard also and looked dangerous throughout his fight with Leonard, showing determination by absorbing the smaller man's punches.
     
  6. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually, Geraldo had already made a name for himself taking SRL's best shots on national television, then sticking his chin out for more. Prior to Montreal, Ray credited Geraldo as being his toughest opponent. It wasn't a complete surprise that he took Hagler the limit, but it was startling that he gave Marv the headaches he did in the early going. Anyhow, everybody can view the footage Unforgiven so generously posted, and judge for themselves.

    Six career first round knockout defeats, two more in the second round, and 21 stoppage losses in all is a lot to swallow considering how he looked against Hagler and SRL, and that he stopped the murderous punching LoCicero in ten between those two bouts. I suspect the bulk of his earnings were acquired from dives.

    He wasn't a big puncher, although his knockout percentage was respectable enough. But if he could have applied the mechanics of leverage, he would have been awesome, a point expressed by broadcast commentators announcing his matches more than once.
     
  7. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was there when he threw the fight vs Michael Nunn. Geraldo was a bad actor that night. Watch the Hearns fight and judge for yourselves. He was a much better fighter than he was a thespian.
     
  8. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    The Geraldo fight was the one that truly set the blueprint on how to beat Hagler.If you watch the Geraldo fight and Hagler's fight with Leonard back-to-back,you'll be stunned at just how similar the fights are.


    Hagler's apologists of course will maintain that Hagler's struggle against Leonard was entirely down to him being a decrepit old fossile while Leonard was as fresh as a daisy - but how many of them are aware of this fight,do you reckon? How Geraldo,just like Leonard,forced Hagler out of his counter-punching role and into doing all the leading,and how Geraldo's lateral movement reduced Hagler - and this,I assume,was a prime Hagler - into leaping in with single shots and missing with so many,just as Leonard would do several years later.




    Mere coincidence that Hagler most impressive showings were against highly aggressive,straight-forward brawlers with little regard for defense while clear flaws and chickety chinks in his armour were exposed against boxers that took away his counter-punching opportunities and forced him into a role that he clearly wasn't as relaxed and as comfortable in? Definitely maybe,perhaps.Who knows?



    For the record,the last three rounds established Hagler was a clear victor of the fight.Should be no controversy in regards to the scoring of the fight.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I mulled this one over some 20 years ago. I saw his bouts with Leonard, Hagler, and Armando Muniz and I was there live to see him get iced in one round by Caveman Lee. I often thought with his habit of hanging tough with world class fighters but getting chilled early by Jean Mateo and such suggests a very slow starter. Nail him early and you have a chance, but let him warm up and you have a battle on your hands. And by the way, there was no disputing the Hagler fight, he just hung tough and made a fight of it, but there was no dispute on the decision.

    Scartissue
     
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  10. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bump, for an ancient thread that I enjoyed reading through again. Some good conversation here.
     
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  11. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was an interesting guy. Kinda like Randy Shields, a contemporary, gave some world class guys tough fights. He had more odd results than randy, although nothing crazier than taking a prime pipino Cuevas 15, a prime hearns 13 (only to lose on a cut) and being annhilated by Benitez.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

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    I wrote the Hagler-Geraldo fight up a while back in the "What Fight Did YOu Watch Today" thread, and I think I had Hagker winning 7-3 or something like that. Tough fight for him, but he won.

    I could see how Geraldo would be difficult to fight when he wanted to be there; tall, rangy, tough, and threw punches in flurries. Hard to look good against a guy like that.
     
  13. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    Hagler's ability to cut the ring off was truly clubfighter level.
     
  14. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I watched it the day it happened and no way. Hagler very comfortable. No controversy
     
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  15. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    Marcos Geraldo is a really durable guy, Leonard said he had the best chin and he went 10 rounds taking all of Hagler's shots. I was shocked to see he had 21 kayo loses out of 28 of them. He even had kayo loses earlier in his career too. I'm willing to bet that Geraldo must've threw a lot of fights during his career