Margarito - Cotto

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by radianttwilight, Nov 21, 2007.


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  1. Knob McDude

    Knob McDude Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with all, but the parts I bolded.

    First off, I think Frasier was a much busier fighter then Cotto. I don't know if stats back me up, but he just seemed busier.

    He is a hard puncher, just doesn't have 1-punch ko power.

    I don't think his chin is as shaky as you do. He got rocked at 140, not 47 though. At 140 he was weight drained, and had an ear drum problem, that was hurting his equilibrium. At 147, he has been hit with some good shots, and has showed a good beard.

    I think this Mosley fight proved he doesn't have to rely on relentless pressure anymore, sure it's been his main strategy throughout his career, but he has also shown a decent ability to fight going backwards when it suites him. He has a plan "B" for when relentless pressure isn't the best option. See the Mohamad Abdulaev fight, and the last few rounds of Mosley.

    What I'm trying to say is, he doesn't need to "rely" on one style, as he has more in his arsenal.

    On the other hand, I think you nailed the Margarito comparison. Although, I feel pound for pound George hit harder. Don't know if you agree with that, just my feelings.

    You surely did open my eyes to the comparison though, and I learned things along the way.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond. :good
     
    Knob McDude, Nov 21, 2007
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  2. KhanB

    KhanB Active Member Full Member

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    I picked Cotto only bcuz he seems to be improving a little bit with each fight.
    He fought backing up with Mosley pretty good and has underrated speed
    and is still learning while Margo is stuck in his ways. Still a tough fight
    and IMO both guys would leave too much in the ring.
     
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  3. CRUZSTYLES

    CRUZSTYLES New Member Full Member

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    what has margo done to deserve all this respect be for real guys he had his chance with cotto and turned it down i wonder why? who has beat
     
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  4. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with you on those points, too, I just wanted to make the comparison.

    I don't really think Cotto has a shaky chin per se, but I really do think Margarito can KO him without needing a true volley of punches - he isn't granite. I don't think Cotto, on the other hand, can stop Margarito with anything short of a sustained beatdown over 7-8+ rounds, or a huge, unanswered flurry.

    About the Plan B of Cotto-Mosley, I'm in agreement there, too, I just don't think boxing on the backfoot/counterpunching would be very effective against Margarito. Margarito isn't gonna be deterred like Shane was (partly due to his 1-dimensionality), and that's a very bad thing for Cotto in this matchup.

    It's funny that Cotto's plan B is very similar to what Frazier tried in 1976 :D . Not saying it wouldn't work, but I don't think that's the answer in this matchup.

    I do agree that P4P George hit harder, but their wild + winging hooks/uppercuts are a very valid comparison IMO. Margarito appears to me a carbon copy of George's style, scaled down to 147.

    I appreciate your insight - I'm not saying that Margarito is a definite win in this matchup, really. I just think it's ludicris that people are saying things like "COTTO WIDE UD!" and "COTTO STOPS ***** MARGARITO!" when a matchup very similar to this has already occured and the exact opposite happened.

    I guess some people can be fooled twice :)
     
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  5. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Point taken about the Frazier low-blows.

    I'm not trying to discredit Cotto here, it's just a blatant fact that several of his opponents have been hit low. Whether or not he intended it, they got hit low. Even though it's a styles thing, it could very well happen in this fight.
     
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  6. Knob McDude

    Knob McDude Active Member Full Member

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    Great post.

    I see where you are coming from on your counterpoints, now that you explained them better, I think we pretty much agree. (that might be bad news for you, as I'm wrong a lot) :D

    I don't think this would be an easy fight for Cotto, and it's no "slam-dunk win", but I have faith in Cotto to get the job done. He has continuosly gotten better, and has always got the job done.

    Hopefully we'll find out some day, I think it would be an exciting fight. :good
     
    Knob McDude, Nov 21, 2007
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  7. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly :D . Good that we agree. If Margarito did win, it would definitely be a case of style over skills!
     
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  8. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Based on what? He got wobbled by Daniel Santos twice and Clottey twice as well. This is one thing that irks me about Marg. Seems to me most people think he's not capable of being dented, when those fights suggest otherwise.
     
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  9. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto is a much better boxer than you are giving him credit for

    He looked very good against Mosley
     
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