Margarito destroyed Martinez a forgotten fight

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Billy Collins Jr. went 10 rounds against a guy with padded gloves. Stuffed gloves doesn't mean a first punch (or early) knock out. It's about the cumulative damage they inflict.

It's a disgrace to the sport that this cheating príck is still allowed to fight.

 

Nah... Chavez is way bigger and more physically stronger then phoney tony!

 

Yeah he did..Margarito is his name I believe... Clottey was whooping him up, PWill beat him... Cotto was whooping him for the first 6 rounds, and Mosley demolished him... Martinez was peaking in those years and around the time he beat Bunema, I would have put some serious doe on Martinez.

 

Cotto proved he was **** with no tainted wraps in the rematch... That's all that needs to be added up.

 

Whoo said it was? But Paul was still Green, and he beat up and out fought Margarito. And to touch on what you said about Margarito having one of the top 5 wins in the last 10 years, that win is also one of the top 5 controversial victories in history.. Ever since he got exposed for illegal handwraps... an asterisk will accompany Margarito's career for the rest of his existence.

 

All of Margo's win are questionable, anybody who lost to him can make a case that they were cheated

 

The CSAC suspended him... That's all we need to know, and if capetillo wouldn't have taken the blame Margarito most likely would have gotten a life time ban as well. As for Mosley, he used but he didn't use illegal wraps.

 

Yea, he was suspended from boxing for no reason what-so-ever. atsch The man is a disgrace and should have never been allowed to fight again.

And all things being equal: Yes, Shane should have been suspended as well for the Balco incident.

 

I don't think the Mosley fight was the first time Margarito loaded his gloves, but I don't think he used them each and every time out. I would simply guess he used them a few times before. Don't know which fights and how often.

You would think he probably would use them for a big match like the first Cotto one if he was going to use them for a fight against a supposedly washed-up Mosley whom Margarito was a solid favorite, but who knows? Maybe he just used them in California because he figured it would be easier to get away with CA than NV. The CSAC was a mess at that time. Or if you really want to give Margarito the benefit of the doubt then you can say that since Margarito had a poor training camp for the Mosley fight (this was discussed by Doug Fischer going into the bout), he was desperate and did this for the first time.

Actually some people go way beyond giving Margarito the "benefit of the doubt" and are in just straight up denial and desperately want to believe he's innocent and will believe anything.

I don't think his losses from the Mosley fight on show that he was always loading though like others do. I don't think it proves anything. Yeah he got his ass kicked by Mosley. Mosley fought a perfect fight, had the right game plan and style to beat Margarito. I thought Mosley was too old going in, but he gave that "last great performance by an aging fighter" that Cus D' Amato talked about.

Margarito's wear-and-tear should be taken into account. He started fighting pro at fifteen and was more likely to age quicker than most fighters with his high action style, gym wars, the punishment he took in fights and probably the gym. Watch the Margarito who fought Diaz in 2002 and watch the Cintron rematch and Cotto fight in 2008. He was already noticeably slower.

He had one fight in Mexico and then fought Pacquiao, who was, at worst, the 2nd best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. He took the beating of a lifetime and suffered a broken orbital bone. Cotto took advantage of Margarito's eye issues and busted it up some more. Cotto used better movement and clinched more and used his shorter stockier frame for leverage this time.

None of those fights prove anything about him loading his gloves previously, all it showed was that he was facing very tough opposition and had a lot of wear-and-tear on him.

But I do think he used illegal wraps before. I just don't think any of those late career losses prove anything.

It's just common sense to me. I don't think someone in his 43rd pro fight, after finally having gotten to the standing in boxing he had been working at for 15 years, is suddenly going to say "hey, now is a good time to start loading my gloves!". When people get caught cheating in situations like this, it's hard to believe it's their first time. And it's even harder to believe that he "didn't know" the wraps were loaded. Yeah it may be possible, but it's unlikely.

Wanting to believe a fighter is clean doesn't mean I actually do believe it.

 

^^The irony.