Margarito fought better quality opposition than Mayweather.

Look man...I'm not bashing Mayweather for anything he has done in the past, in the lighter weights he was a beast. But you simply can not deny the fact that at WW his competition is not up to par with his skills. Retiring while the WW division was at its hottest is questionable to say the least, I mean come one...who the **** does that. Then now he is faced with his biggest challenge and he pulls all kinds of **** out of his ass as an obstacle. I give him credit for fighting Mosley, but there is no denying that the Mosley that showed up was and old Mosley, maybe even shot. So that kinda takes away from his win. Kinda like with De la Hoya and Pac, you have to give Pac credit for being willing to face a much bigger man. But you also can't deny that the Oscar that showed up was nowhere near the real Oscar, so that diminishes that win. And I realize that I'm just rambling now, but it's late and I'm sleepy....lol

 

It's based on resume more than skill. You clearly think hes ducked a lot and you heavily heavily criticized his resume since he moved to 140. Which if true, would only have him lose spots, not stay high. Simple as that. Fighting guys that are worthless doesn't deem someone a spot at the top because they are already on the top.

If Pac goes on to rematch Cotto, Clottey and Marquez at 147, do you think think he would keep 1 status?

No way in hell.

Real Truth isn't the thread starter, and I was clear as day speaking to him. As you can see. I was quoting HIM.

 

He's borderline ******ed, he's not gonna understand that concept...

 

It's not!!! You ****ing ******...God damn!!! LEGACY is, p4p, not so much.

 

LOL....man i wish I was sleepy. But I agree that there are some "sexy" names that he could have had on his resume, I'm just not convinced that its all Floyd's fault that the fight didn't happen. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

 

Let me clarify something here...I'm not saying resume has nothing to do with it, but p4p is more based on perceived skills. Why do you think Floyd went right back to #2 after beating Marquez after being "retired". It's not just because of the Marquez fight, but also because of his past accomplishments. C'mon man get that through your ****ing head. atsch

 

Fair enough :good

 

Margarito fought the better fights, its not about losing or winning, it's who did you fought

 

Holy ****!


PfP is based on perception of skills, nothing more. It is just a comparison of all fighters across the entire weight range based on perceived skills.

That is why Chad Dawson was so rated highly because people believe that he got the skills. Of course, the skillset can not be seen unless you fight an iopposition, so there is a resume to consider too. But it does not necessarily be against the toughest opposition.

That is why Donaire, although has only one notable name in his resume is highly rated.

Fot the past 4 years, Gayweather faced Hatton at 147, JMM at 146, ODLH, Mosley. I am sure that those opposition, although on paper are HOFer are past it, or fighting in a weight that they never belonged too. Yet Gayweather was still number 2? Simply because people are seeing him not based on his past few fights but on his potential or talent.

And this is also the reason why P4P ranking is inherently biased - it favors fighters who are "skilled" versus "crude brawlers".

 

Wow your dumber than I thought. So because I said that Paul might pose some problems for Mayweather, you take that to mean that DLH who's bigger and stronger than Mayweather, and more skilled than Paul wouldn't have beat P-Will? How the hell did you come to that brilliant conclusion??

But you did do a lot of work looking up my old posts to prove nothing. Good Job!!:good:happy

There's nothing absurd about it. Mayweather beat a top 3 p4p in Marquez in what was a tuneup fight, and people whined, bitched and moaned about it, yet your trying to mkae Marg out to be tought because he fought a great fighter albeit a guy who was 5in shorted and 17lbs smaller. All i'm saying is that if Mayweather were to go and fight an opponent who was at that much of a physical disadvantage he would get no credit and be called a cherry picker.:hat

 

Assuming that JMM is a tune-up, why fight at a weight that JMM never set his foot on? He never even fought at 140. The most that Mayweather could have done is a catchweight of 140 since JMM fought last at 135.

There are other fighters at welterweight that could be tune-ups. Although probably it makes dollar sense to fight JMM.

 

What difference does it make it was a tuneup against a highly skilled, but smaller opponent Oscar did the same thing when he fought a natural LW, Steve Forbes, at a 150lb catchweight. And I think you kind of answered your own question there at the end.

 

140? That was Floyd's first training camp in 2 years. I doubt 140 was a possibility. Hell...he just grew into WW. This was a tune-up/showcase bout...nothing more.