Margarito interview on FNF's?

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  1. Fighting Fisherman

    Fighting Fisherman Active Member Full Member

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    I'm thinking this would make a great episode for Mythbusters! They can test the advantages of various wraps, loaded with various substances and clean legal wraps. Seriously, we all assume it would be a huge advantage to load the wraps with platers, extra tape or whatever... but has this ever been studied?

    I know the anecdotal evidence that exists and I'm not denying the likelihood, but I like to see actual facts based on study.

    My guess is the the real advantage is in protecting the boxers hands better, especially ones with big red previously damaged knuckles.
     
  2. Ischbaad

    Ischbaad Active Member Full Member

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    There are too many inconsistencies in the situation to make a concrete conclusion. We have to wait to see what the commission says. So grow up, and stop acting like a tough guy you overstretched vaginal flap.
     
  3. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Story has never changed, as per Richardson's interpretation of what happen, the only change is Margarito depiction of the Story. According to Margarito , Noting was removed from his gloves :huh but According to Richardson, CAC , and Mosely's Attorney , the evidence was bagged, sealed and sent to the California Department of Justice , so there was something defiantly removed from the gloves , what that substance was we don't know we will just have to wait for the hearing to find out. The fact that the California Department of Justice is involved and the fact Margarito got himself a lawyer, tell me there could be other serious charges imposed on this **** .
     
  4. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude don't be ****ing ******ed, even out side the boxing ring getting hit with a taped fist is a felony offense, that why boxing has rules for taping the fist so they don't cross that line , between protecting the hand or creating weapon.
    Getting hit with a taped fist will defiantly **** up your day as well as face, getting hit with wrapped fist as hard as plaster , will **** up your health for life.
     
  5. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    Grow up. Grow your jokes up. B/c that **** was weak.
     
  6. Fighting Fisherman

    Fighting Fisherman Active Member Full Member

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    There is a big difference between a taped fist without a boxing glove and a taped fist with with one. I'm not saying its legal outside the ring or in it, just that we all assume its a big advantage.

    Boxing and the people who regulate it are slow to change and often don't listen to what science tells them. For example, we all assume that bigger heavier gloves are safer than lighter smaller ones one right? Studies show that the opposite is true.

    Studies also show that current modern boxing gloves design is severely flawed. Kinetic energy transfer increases significantly after the first punch is landed. This effect increases to the point where energy transfer with a "worn in" gloves is much greater than a bare fist. This is because of a higher mass at the end of the arm as opposed to a bare fist. Another factor is that boxers will through a punch harder when they know they have the protection of a glove on their fist.

    Ever hear of "Puncher's Gloves"? These Mexican style gloves are made of compacted horse hair and transfer more kinetic energy as compared to foam filled gloves. The punchers gloves are more dangerous to a fighter but are completely legal.

    The problem is boxing regulations are mostly based on tradition.
     
  7. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    man please , just shut up .:roll: wow Who do you think your talking too, a bunch of johnny come lately... Pro Gloves are not meant to protect the guy getting hit, it only meant to protect the hand, allowing the fighter to throw a succession of punches with out breaking his hand. Only in armature boxing are fighters allowed to wear fighter safe Gloves, so the impact is not transferred completely into the target.

    Pro Glove are built the way they are, because this is called Prize Fighting, which mean the gloves are built that way on purpose not because of tradition.. so to keep the sport from being totally barbaric there are rules for wrapping the hands, so they are not a complete weapon and to keep boxing a sport , other wise it would be banned. Tradition has nothing to do with the way gloves are made, it the nature of the sport of prize fighting.

    In Layamon terms, pro boxing gloves are built to KNOCK A MOTHER****ER OUT NOT TO PROTECT THE FIGHTER PERIOD!!!!
     
  8. Fighting Fisherman

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    You obviously are a perfect example of someone that has never read or cared to read anything about how commissions regulate boxing or why rules exits. Obviously how hands are taped is regulated for a reason, I'm just suggesting that the additional tape may not make that much of a difference, but PROTECT the hands of a fighter better. It should be tested.

    You say pro gloves are not meant to protect the person getting hit? Now you the one who needs to shut up. Go read commission rules on gloves for weight classes and the reasons for it. If your at all mature I'll pass along to you a few scientific studies that examine what I suggested above, these are facts not my opinion.

    Obviously this is a brutal sport, but minimizing the risk of serious injury of both fighters IS important. THAT is why the sport is regulated.

    You say boxing gloves design aren't based on tradition? Read a little history on boxing gloves, you'll be surprised how little they have changed. A perfect example is the attached thumb glove so boxers don't get "thumbed" in the eye accidentally, who often do you see them used?

    Edit. I just read over your post, while I understand what you're saying... its a fight, its going to be brutal, gloves are really just to make the sport more acceptable to the general public and protect the hands of fighters. This is all true, but like any sport... things change and equipment improves. Boxing equipment has room for improvement in many ways. Not changing is embracing tradition blindly in my opinion.
     
  9. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again who do you thing your talking too, Im well aware of the gloves rules , its you and your scientific analysis thats BS , I already know why they have different size gloves for weight classes you goof, just as they have rules for wrapping your hands. Your the one not grasping the concept with all this myth buster ****.. The fighter's gloves and taped fist are, just a few feet of tape and gauze away from becoming illegal weapons, which is way the California Department of Justice has become involved in the Margarito case. Adding additional gauze, tape or other material other then what regulated by the commission, is not only breaking the boxing commission rules but Also the LAW. A perfect example of how close boxer come to breaking the law is the case between Richard Grant and James Butler, when James Butler hit grant after the match was over with a taped fist and then served a year in prison for it. A tape fist is only legal in Boxing under strict regulation, if those regulation are broken it becomes a matter of law, depending on the state in which the infraction was committed and to what degree. You don't need myth buster to tell you when the law has been broken.
     
  10. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why do you have to flip this into a race bashing?
     
  11. Fighting Fisherman

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    If goof means someone who is educated and reads before giving a comment, thank you. You clearly have completely missed my point. You say the law is the law and the rules are the rules. I get that and understand, don't worry about that. MY point is, what is it based on? And don't say the law or the rules.

    The mythybuster thing is just a way of saying it should be tested some how. I'm not saying the test should try and prove if the RULE exists. Test to see if the REASON for the rule is legitimate. Go back and read my first post over if your interested...

    My feeling is, Margo or his trainer used extra gauze to protect his knuckles, not to get extra power in his shots. I have the same hand type and when I spar or hit the heavy bag I have serious hand problems.

    Who do I think I'm talking to? I really don't know or much care really, your obviously a fan of the sport. Thats enough for me.
     
  12. thespecialone

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    Innocent until proven guilty!
     
  13. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Extra gauze, tape or any other foreign material is not allowed under any circumstances, regardless if it was to protect his hands or not , it is not allowed, there are no exception and Margarito and his camp know this, but the extra gauze is not what they are being question for , it is the so called treated Gauze that is in question . why was it so hard and why was it in his gloves.
     
  14. Fighting Fisherman

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    I know. Well, with contradicting reports we don't know if it was hard. I can't wait till the hearing to find out the truth. Obviously it was something.
     
  15. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    According to Richardson , Margarito's wraps were extremely hard. Forget what everyone else has said, Richardson's story has stayed consistent. The only other side of the story that matter's is Margarito's and his trainer's which is the opposite of Richardson's . So between those three individuates is the physical evidence and the truth, everyone else is talking out there ass as far as Im concern, because they were not there .