Margarito is nothing but a gatekeeper in the welterweight division

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  1. fitzgeraldz

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    The one thing though walk with me ... is that if Paul Williams keeps winning ... no one can deny him ... Kelly Pavlik even turned down a fight with this man.

    I think its just that Margarito is looking for smaller opposition ... why not fight Williams for the welterweight title ... he was offered 4m to fight for a second time ... that would be his highest payday to date including the Mosley fight coming up ... only a fool would turn down money like that ... it was an offer brought to him as well.

    I don't see any future purses looking like that for Margarito ... I can see Floyd's case turning down 8m, then turning around and making damn near 100m in his next 3 fights.
     
  2. fitzgeraldz

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    No and you know thats not the case with Margarito v Clottey, they're both boxers and haven't knocked anyone out in a while (and don't look for KO's) ...

    Cotto isn't a gatekeeper ... that was supposed to be Cotto's fight ... he was undefeated and he was the main attraction ...
     
  3. walk with me

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    yeah but people are turning him down for the wrong reasons.... like pavlik turned him down because he felt that if he won it wouldn't have done anything for his career because Paul Is Smaller ... I guess If Pavlik Turned the fight down after paul had like 2-3 more legit fights at middle weight then we would have something....

    but thats why i want paul to challenge winky ... i think its a winnable fight for paul and that way hell get his respect and get a chance to make a fight with say a pavlik or someone like that....

    but i dont know what the hell margarito is doing... its like hes trying to become a popular fighter to get a mega match with someone but theres no one for him to get a mega match with..

    oscar would be an idiot to take it because he would get destoyed
    floyd is looking in paq's direction
    paq is to little
    hatton is to little
    you cant make a mega match with paul yet anyways


    unless Margarito is going to fight Paul after he fights Cotto... Which i highly doubt because paul will still be a stranger to anyone outside the boxing world.... i dont know what the hell hes doing
     
  4. Pimp C

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    Are you ****ing kidding me?:lol: PBF has been retired for damn near a year and has atleast one or two hate thread every other day.:deal
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    Margarito isn't a PPV draw ... he's not going to fight Williams because he is affraid of Williams ... not because Williams isn't a big draw ... I agree that he can't find a big fight, but not because no one's out there, its because he hasn't created the opportunity.

    If he keeps winning and wins in dramatic fashion then of course people are going to want to see him but if he keeps pulling this bull**** and fighting once a year or thinking he has the credentials to pick and chosoe who he fights, then he's not going to make it very far.

    Why doesn't he whoop on somemore undefeated fighters ... or move up in weight ... Margarito isn't going to be that marketable a guy w/ 5 losses ... he has to have another gimmick. He can't just say, I beat Cotto, give me a big fight ... thats not how it goes ... he's not in the same category of Floyd, DLH, Pacquiao, or Cotto ... those guy have big fan bases ... they were accomplished ammateurs ... they went to the olympics or they've won multiple 'weight' championships.
     
  6. Pimp C

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    And what has Cotto done to earn such praise? Win two vacant belts one at 140 and one at 147 and quit when the going got tough.:deal JLC, Chico, G.Hernandez, Oscar and Hatton are all better wins than Cotto.:hi:
     
  7. fitzgeraldz

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    The best thing for Margarito to do and to prove that he's not a gate keeper is to move up to 154 ... clean the division ... and become the undisputed champion of the division ... there are some decent names still in that division ... the paper will come if he keeps winning ... they didn't deny Marvin Hagler his big fight ...

    The truth is that Margarito is in the same boat as Carlos Baldomir ...
     
  8. imp4pdabest

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    So answer me this: How is it that a gatekeeper gets compared/matched against ATG's like Hagler, Hearns, all 3 Sugar Ray's, PBF & Pernell?
     
  9. walk with me

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    thats the damn truth & if cotto would have won he would have gotten his chance at oscar and after beating oscar most likely... he would have gotten his shot @ floyd


    i personally dont think margarito is physically scared of paul williams... because they already fougth once and margarito was fine at the end... if anything hes afriad of losing his opprotunity to make money which is very realistic if he fights paul williams... if he was to fight paul and lose again paul would instantly steal all his momentum and become #1 @ welter... probably get matchedup with cotto and beat him too and move on to bigger and better things and that would leave margo out to dry...

    but thats one thing i just didnt like... i dont know if it was margarito's handlers or him but they started walking around with their nose up acting like they were superstars and could just pick and choose who they wanted because he beat cotto..


    he turned down 3 great opprotunities back to back to back... and he finally calmed me (and the boxing community down ) by taking shane... but by taking shane I see margarito's intentions and althoguh i am not mad at him... i would like to see where he takes his new found push at superstardom once he finishes up wiht shane and cotto (that is if he wins those fights)
     
  10. Antwuan Maxx

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    So much emphasis on lineal titles, yet what you don't mention is the caliber of opposition or the circumstances in which things transpired.

    First of all, Floyd won his lineal title at 147 by beating Tata Baldomir. You label Marg a gatekeeper for having 5 losses, 3 of which took place prior to his 20th birthday, and the other two to fighters currently campaigning at 154 pounds. So what does that make a fighter with 9 losses and 6 draws? The best in the division based solely on beating one of the most fickle champions in the sport? I beg to differ.

    A147, Mosley, Clottey, Cintron, Judah and even Quintana were all tougher outs than Hatton. Ricky may have been lineal champ at 140 pounds. But he was not cut out for welter evidenced by his fight (and arguable loss) with Luis Collazo. I do, however, believe Mayweather would have beaten Hatton at any weight. But it doesn't eclipse the fact that he took on Ricky where he was seemingly most vulnerable.



    :lol: You're full of ****. Hernandez was at the end of his career. Castillo was supposed to be an easy way to a title that backfired. They even mentioned it during their first fight. Remember "you can throw a bottle in the ring and it'll hit Castillo." :lol: Even still, Castillo probably deserved the nod in the original match up. Chico went into the fight with a prison sentence looming. Oscar was just destroyed by a lightweight and arguably lost 3 of his previous 4 fights. Hatton a fighter with one fight at 147 where he arguably lost to Luis Collazo. Yeah son, that's really murderer's row right there.

    As I've previously stated, Cotto "quit" after being a participant in a fight of the year candidate Floyd quit at the negotiation tables. Cotto took a challenge head on and came up short, no doubt. But at least he had the nuts to step in the ring with the very same man you idol shamelessly avoided. Sm..sm..smart business decisions...it's not about proving to the fans who the best is. Indeed.
     
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  12. Antwuan Maxx

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    :hi:
     
  13. C.J.Rock

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    The only clown I see around here is YOU!!!!!!!!!!:hi::hi:
     
  14. istmeno

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    antwaun quick correction the three losses came at age 16, 17, and 18
     
  15. Pimp C

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    I'm full of **** but you neglect all of my points. Instead you make a pathetic attempt to try and discredit PBF. How many top 10 P4P fighters has Cotto ever beaten?:hi: I'll wait. How many linear championships has Cotto won? When has he ever unified a divison? Cotto is a good fighter but lets not get carried away here. He hasn't lived up to the hype just yet. PBF's career shits all over Cotto's and you know it. He'll never be as great as PBF period he's not good enough.:deal
     
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