Margarito padded gloves or not, he layed the blueprint on how to beat Cotto

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  1. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i disagree with this, that he made the "blue print" on how to beat cotto.....

    margo, and his style is what beat cotto, i think williams is the only other guy that could do waht margo did to cotto......

    margo was just all wrong for cotto, margo was the bigger man, and his punch out put is crazy......thats why he beat cotto......there's no exact blue-print.....remember people, fighters that fought manny tryed the "morales blue print" has it worked since?
     
  2. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep.

    Margo basically exposed Cotto's vulnerability to uppercuts, and shovel hooks to the body. A huge percentage of his punches landed fell into this category (particularly the shovel hooks to the body, when Margarito couldn't land upstairs he just let these rip and landed them far too easily). To effectively land these shots though you need to be in the line of fire and not many guys can afford to do that against Cotto.

    Clottey's upright/vertical cagey style probably won't allow him to exploit this defensive flaw very well at all. Which is why i see Cotto likely getting the decision.
     
  3. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well first of all, I think its a big misconception that Margarito himself is the one who is cheating. It was his trainer who was responsible for the suspected foul play. Logically speaking, Margarito is a big welterweight and has been known to be a big puncher throughout his career. That along with Cotto's history of being rocked by big punchers like Torres,Judah, Mosley,etc.... it would be silly to just assume that it would be impossible for someone like Margarito to win legitimately. People say that the state of Cottos face tells the story and obviously Margarito cheated but after rewatching the fight, Cotto started slowing down in the mid to late rounds and was barely throwing anything at times while taking tremendous punishment on the ropes. It was almost as if his confidence was shattered by Margaritos fast aggressive pace, not just him getting hit. Are you going to question every single impressive KO victory Margarito ever had?
     
  4. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    which threads are you referring to?
     
  5. Fire1

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    yes every win he ever had is under dispute obviously..

    he tried to cheat against mosely (the comission didnt buy the whole "it was my trainers fault" either) and he did cheat against cotto, anyone who doesnt realize that would believe absolutely anything there "heros" tell them too...

    **** margo the cheating a$$ puss... and im not to high on the people that support that piece of garbage either.. he put people lives at danger for his own greed... ALL REAL BOXING FANS HATE BOXERS THAT LOAD GLOVES ...... it was proven that he atleast tried to
     
  6. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    I dislike Margarito but you have absolutely no proof he cheated against Cotto.
     
  7. Scar

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    I'm a Cotto fan and always said in previous posts that consistent pressure and good chin is more than enough to beat/trouble Cotto, it was proven in the Torres fight. Margarito applied his style which is one and Cotto broke down as he noticed Margarito was still coming, he didn't really bother with body shots either as he was too focused on trying to KO this guy who's face is wide open. Style-wise Margarito did the right thing and it did break Cotto down but his punching power CAN be questioned here. Please don't give me this "His trainer does it not him" excuse, I mean judging by your posts it's damn obvious you probably don't know what a boxing gym looks like. Both the trainer and fighter know about every single thing, they literally LIVE with one another during training camps, you're going to tell me he was "hiding" what from him?, maybe someone in your mental state will believe that but I won't.

    About questioning Margarito's ATG KOs, what other KO is there to question?, Manuel Gomez?, Kermit Cintron?, Andrew "Six Heads Zero Chins" Lewis?. The only win/KO he has on his record worth mentioning is Cotto and even in that fight he was behind on the scorecards.
     
  8. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lets assume you are correct, it can be agreed by many that Cotto is a much bigger puncher than Mosley.. in that case why is it that Cottos haymakers that he landed on Margarito didnt have any effect on him but Shanes looked like he knocked him into a coma?
     
  9. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thats not what I asked
     
  10. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto outboxed Margarito throughout the fight, but Margarito with his extreme ruggedness, stamina, CHIN and POWER was able to get the job done. Cotto landed some VERY hard shots and made the Tijuana Tornado reset numerous times. Taking on Mosley, a seasoned vet with many tools, after all the solid shots he ate from Miguel was foolish. I believe Cotto is extremely resilient. The Clottey fight should prove it.
     
  11. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Workrate + Power + Chin + range = THE PUNISHER!!!
     
  12. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great Post, i've been saying this as a minority opinion i know, but i think cotto will beat josh in dramatic fashion.
     
  13. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It wasn't just pressure that got Cotto. What Marg did was invest all the early rounds in a brutal body attack. Cotto had nothing left toward the end.
     
  14. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I understand doubting Margo's earlier fights before Mosley into doubt but I agree with you. The thing is its hard to say it was padded gloves that beat Cotto when Margo landed to Cotto's body at will. One can say his padding got harder toward the late rounds or one can say Cotto got weaker as the onslaught continued. It's a tough call.
     
  15. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not exactly,Cotto fought the wrong fight,never getting to the body,if he would have done this,it wouldv'e wemt the full fight padded gloves or not... Fighters have gone toe to toe with him and on the inside he is very good,only problem being Margo could take his best shot,now if he wouldv'e went to the body like Mosley did it wouldv'e been a way different fight..