Margarito sounds off on Cotto

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  1. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

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    He didn't not because he wasn't capable rather he chose not to. His strategy was to engage then reset and the problem was Margarito just walked him down along the ropes everytime Cotto reset. I'd like to see Cotto fight him more like how Antonio Diaz fought him which was in the center of the ring. Cotto wouldn't take as many flush shots as Diaz did because his defense is much better. Cotto also has a superior jab and at times during their first fight he was able to back Margo off with it.
     
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  2. imp4pdabest

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    If he couldn't do that $hit last time, what makes you think he's gonna do it this time?
     
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  3. Beenie

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    Great fighters tend to adjust. The really special ones can make the proper adjustments during the fight to reverse the momentum and pull off an unlikely win. Cotto isn't quite there yet but he skilled enough to effectively box Margo so I'll give him the benfit of the doubt. He's fought him once ineffectively so he'll now have the benefit of changing his strategy going into the fight and he'll also has the benefit of witnessing Shane expose Margo's deficiencies.
     
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  4. divac

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    Dont get me wrong.....I do believe clinching has its place in boxing.....just not to the degree that a fighter employ it repeatedly throughout the rounds....where its preventing a fighter from showing true boxing skill.

    Hopkins for example seems to bring it out in excess against fighter who have the skill to match his......

    Mosley did it against Margarito, but it was'nt to the annoying degree of Hopkins because Mosley was backing it up with true effective and accurate punching.

    But I have to say that flow of a fight takes on a more exciting and artful avenue when its void of clinching and only the punching skills of a fighter are displayed.
     
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  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Shane and Cotto are completely different fighters with different weakness and different strenghths.....how Shane went about beaing Margarito will not help Cotto worth a damn!
     
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  6. Beenie

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    Why is that? Shane was able to establish space with his superior jab and set up his overhand right and left hook with it. Cotto's has a great jab in his own right so why wouldn't he look at Shane's success and impliment his jab more in a rematch?
     
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  7. divac

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    Go back and look at the fight, Shane does'nt really have the shotgun type of jab that Cotto has.....

    Shane really doubles and triples it up quickly and really uses it more of a range finder to throw his right hand than using that jab as a weapon like Cotto does....

    .....against Margarito, the range finding jab worked for Shane because Margarito was supplying the aggression that it was easy for Mosley's quick jabs to find the range.

    Mosley has always had trouble executing his jab against an opponent who was'nt providing the aggression.
    Even against Mayorga, Mayorga did'nt supply the kind of pressure that Margarito was giving out, and you
    would se stretches where Mayorga would lay back non-aggressive and outjab Mosley, who was hitting nothing but air when he fired triple jabs at Mayorga.

    They're two completely different jabs......Cotto's is shotgun and powerful and used as a weapon , while Mosley's is used more to set up his other punches.


    LIke I said, they're completely different fighters.

    What Cotto does best plays right into Margarito's strenghths!
     
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  8. walk with me

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    im normally not the type to complain about a link.... but id like to see one...

    i refuse to believe margarito really said all this ****
     
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  9. walk with me

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    nevermind i saw it
     
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  10. MAG1965

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    You might be right but what if the style matchup is the real reason that Cotto lost? Then Cotto gets stopped again and psychologically and physically he will not be able to recover again.
     
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  11. Beenie

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    I challenge you to go back and watch the Cotto-Margo fight particularly the early rounds and notice the effectiveness of Cotto's jab. He was able to establish space with it. The difference between the effectiveness of his vs Shane's jab was that Shane would follow it up with big shots and Cotto would play it safe and reset. I realize that Cotto's jab is more of a "shotgun" style predicated on power but the idea behind a good jab is to establihsh space and keep your opponent honest. Cotto was successful with his jab in the center of the ring early failed to sustain it and never really followed up with too many big shots. Shane did the opposite and won. Reguardless of the technique behind each of their jabs, they both found success using it against Margo. Shane just managed to use it more often and follow it up with big shots in the center of the ring.
     
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  12. Scar

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  13. Beenie

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    I don''t think it was style matchup necessarily but more less Cotto fighting with the wrong gameplan.
     
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  14. elgrancampeon

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    You don't think Bute clinched excessively against Andrade?
     
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  15. RafaelGonzal

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    I cant wait for the rematch a year and a half from now. I tend to believe Margos gloves were loaded we will see how well he does without that advantage. Cotto should have blasted him then but this time it will be that much sweeter, revenge!!!!
     
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