Margarito! Suspension! Past offenses?

divac · Jan 28, 2009

hmi said: ↑

divac, if Margarito is found guilty, what punishment do you think he should get?
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If found to have had a foreign hard substance beside compressed gauze and tape in those hand wraps, I say throw Margarito, his trainer, and the CSAC inspector all in jail and throw away the key........certainly I'd be for banishment for life........

.....and to add to that, the federal government should step in and break away with the CSAC.

fatcity · Jan 28, 2009

Radar said: ↑

It will cast very deep shadows. That's just the way life works.

And as I have patiently explained to you, a foreign substance has now been confirmed to have been bagged from his wraps. You do understand the rules of the sport, right? I am starting to wonder. Where TF is your self-righteous indignation that anything other than tape and gauze was found in his wraps? If you're on some almighty trip, my friend, then maybe it's time you stepped onto the correct side of the fence. Forget this **** about mitigating factors depending on the purity of the plaster dust.
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Holy ****,the eccentric millionaire is back!By the way,Radar,casting a shadow on past performances has nothing to do with the Mosely fight,nor does it even infer Margo cheated at the Cotto fight.They are seperate and not linked,despite the fact you are suggesting such.
Welcome back to the land of peasants.

Radar · Jan 28, 2009

divac said: ↑

If found to have had a foreign hard substance beside compressed gauze and tape in those hand wraps, I say throw Margarito, his trainer, and the CSAC inspector all in jail and throw away the key........certainly I'd be for banishment for life........

.....and to add to that, the federal government should step in and break away with the CSAC.
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The Commission has already confirmed that a foreign substance was removed and is now being analysed for content. Does your stand mean that anything short of hardened plaster should be forgiven? You keep referring to "hard" substances. What if it was designed to harden during the course of the bout with excessive moisture added to the mix? What about intent? Nothing but gauze and tape is allowed - you know that. Clearly it is now factual that something other than those two materials was found and confiscated.

SAS2 · Jan 28, 2009

the wild west lynchmob mentality is alive an well here.

Radar · Jan 28, 2009

fatcity said: ↑

Holy ****,the eccentric millionaire is back!By the way,Radar,casting a shadow on past performances has nothing to do with the Mosely fight,nor does it even infer Margo cheated at the Cotto fight.They are seperate and not linked,despite the fact you are suggesting such.
Welcome back to the land of peasants.
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Sorry, did I ever claim to be a millionaire? Not even once. I still live comfortably. How many years before you separate that distinction in your mind and move off the spin cycle?

I have suggested nothing. I am simply stating what all of us already know. The court of public opinion will be ruthless, and aspersions will be cast on his past fights. Whether you or I feel that is fair or right or just is immaterial. It's simply what will happen. That's the risk people take when they break the rules.

philby · Jan 28, 2009

Radar said: ↑

It will cast very deep shadows. That's just the way life works.

And as I have patiently explained to you, a foreign substance has now been confirmed to have been bagged from his wraps. You do understand the rules of the sport, right? I am starting to wonder. Where TF is your self-righteous indignation that anything other than tape and gauze was found in his wraps? If you're on some almighty trip, my friend, then maybe it's time you stepped onto the correct side of the fence. Forget this **** about mitigating factors depending on the purity of the plaster dust.
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My god!!

It's back!!:yep

Radar · Jan 28, 2009

philby said: ↑

My god!!

It's back!!:yep
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How's that nubile little kissin' cousin, *****?

sthomas · Jan 28, 2009

divac said: ↑

Again people are getting all riled up in a frenzy trying to tie a knot around Margarito's neck without so much as a hearing on the matter.

The commision says foreign matter, but they have'nt come out and said what it was that Margarito was carrying in his wraps.

The decision by the commission to suspend Margarito and his chief trainer was just a formality to calm down those who are pressing them on the issue.

It appears by the suspensions that Margarito and his chief trainer knowingly and deliberately violated handwrapping protocol......

What the commision has yet to make public is the extent and danger of the violation........Margarito's chief trainer is going to have to explain in that hearing how and why he did it..........

We dont actually know if it was really a foreign substance in those wraps, or just Margaritos trainer rolling up, wetting, and tightly compressing some ordinary gauze to the point where it felt hard........

Either way, what they did was against the rules, but the latter violation of compressing the gauze would likely come with just a minor suspension of probably a year or less plus a fine.

The key is going to be what the inspector who signed off on Margarito's wrapped hand has to say......
That inspector will likely get permanantly fired no matter what they find was the substance used.

I'm going to hold my judgement on Margarito and his trainer until the full investigation is complete and see what both Margarito and his trainer have to say on the matter.

I'll tell you the truth, I'm rooting for it to be just rolled up compressed gauze in those wraps, to which if a trainer was rolling up a fighters hand and was allowed to get away with it by the inspector??????
In this situation one might not accuse the Margarito camp of criminal intent, it being just extra gauze......

.......but if it turns out to be some form of plaster in there??atsch:-(

I just find it so hard to believe that in that high a profile fight that the Margarito camp would risk getting caught with plaster.....this type of an offense is more suited for B level non-profile promotions where if the other side objected to the way a fighters wrapped his hands, the inspector could just tell the objecing side to go **** themselves, without suffering any consequences......

......and really think about it people, be honest with yourselves and just dont form hateful opinions based on Margarito having whipped or embarrased your favorite fighter in some way.......
.......If Margarito is found guilty of whatever.....how likely is it really that he did it in past fights??????

The Cotto fight was in Vegas where there is a different boxing commision all together.
How likely is it that both the California State athletic commission, and the Nevada commission were both on the take to benefit Margarito......because lets remember here now, these inspectors are signing off that Margarito is wrapped legit.
To accuse Margarito of past offenses is to say that he's got every commision in every state he's boxed in wrapped around his little finger.

......and really, if both those commissions were on the take, do you seriously think that its only the Margarito camp doing this?????

Let me tell you something.....if this is'nt the first time Margarito has seriously violated wrapping protocol, I got news for you..... these wrapping violations are running rampant out there.....and other high profile fighers and trainers are doing the same exact thing.

The finality of this whole mess, whether its plaster or plain compressed guaze as the finding........is that as a boxing fan, none of us are going to come out feeling good about the state of the sport and its corrupt shenanigans........because when you think about it, the California state athletic commision is leading the investigation.......there interest is to protect the integrity of their commission.....and how can they complete an unbiased review of the happenings if one or more of their own were in on the flagrancy????

These are serious accusations being bestowed upon Margarito.......for the sake and safety of past and future fighters, why in the hell has'nt the FBI overstepped the CSAC and taken over this whole investigation.

Boxing's higher ups....the ones that wear the coats, ties, and suits, all stink. They all freakin stink and I'm freakin mad about it.......

Where is freakin John McCain when boxing really needs him.......

These freaking investigations have to go to the federal level because boxing has freakin gone out of its freakin mind.

They want to lay the full blame on the fighters and trainers, but what needs to happen here is that these damn athletic commissions all need to be investigated at the federal level and taken down!!!!:twisted:

I'm freakin out of my mind mad that I got to get the **** out of here!!!!
:fire:fire:fire:fire:fire
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Solid post Divac. I'm pretty much with you on this, but if it was wetting the wraps, though not as bad as a plastern, if illegal it's still a huge offense because of the intent and Marg. and Co. should pay with the highest allowed penalty. There really should be some federal, or at least serious state oversight. Oh my God, that'd be socialism!

orlando1145 · Jan 28, 2009

trinidad wasn't suspended this is serious stuff

philby · Jan 28, 2009

Radar said: ↑

How's that nubile little kissin' cousin, *****?
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She is to old for that anymore!!

Turns 19 in a month or so!!:?

Brickhaus · Jan 28, 2009

Divac, read the ****ing press release. It's NOT a formality to shut people up. It quotes the law that says that only gauze and tape are allowed, and it says that they found a foreign substance. They just don't know how severely they're going to punish him because the Department of Justice is still analyzing the foreign substance.

divac · Jan 29, 2009

Brickhaus said: ↑

Divac, read the ****ing press release. It's NOT a formality to shut people up. It quotes the law that says that only gauze and tape are allowed, and it says that they found a foreign substance. They just don't know how severely they're going to punish him because the Department of Justice is still analyzing the foreign substance.
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Exactly......they dont have a clue what the foreign substance is, or at least they're not telling us......

From what I understand what they found was a moistened harder than normal wrap on Margarito's fist area.....

According to Nazim Richardson himself when he made Trinidad re-wrap vs Hopkins.......Richardson did'nt find a hardened wrap on Trinidad, but he did say that the amount of gauze Trinidad used, and the way he wrapped Trinidad's fists, could harden and form a castlike fist.

I dont know if its true or not, but according to Richardson, the way you use the guaze and tape and the amount used can harden like a cast......and if thats the case, the only foreign substance that Margarito may have used was water.

.....how do you prove that Margarito's camps intentions were to harden the gauze by using just water????

See what I mean? Do you suspend Margarito for a prolonged period of time for using gauze, tape and water???

Surely in this situation the Margarito camp is going to defend themselves by saying that they had no idea that water could harden the wrap.

This is assuming that Richardson's accusations toward Trinidad and the hardening effects of the way he used the gauze and tape are true.
I dont know if it is or is'nt.

Scar · Jan 29, 2009

That's what they're investigating. For now he's going to remain suspended till they're done and if they do find anything expect the suspension to last very long.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2009-01-28-margarito-suspension_N.htm

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01282009/sports/boxing/margarito_under_fire_152405.htm

BoxingFanNo1 · Jan 29, 2009

I think it's obvious that when people are giving their opinions they mean 'If found guilty'. I mean what, you expect everyone to start there statements with 'If found guilty....'

Sigh......

LoveMuffin · Jan 29, 2009

divac said: ↑

Again people are getting all riled up in a frenzy trying to tie a knot around Margarito's neck without so much as a hearing on the matter.

The commision says foreign matter, but they have'nt come out and said what it was that Margarito was carrying in his wraps.

The decision by the commission to suspend Margarito and his chief trainer was just a formality to calm down those who are pressing them on the issue.

It appears by the suspensions that Margarito and his chief trainer knowingly and deliberately violated handwrapping protocol......

What the commision has yet to make public is the extent and danger of the violation........Margarito's chief trainer is going to have to explain in that hearing how and why he did it..........

We dont actually know if it was really a foreign substance in those wraps, or just Margaritos trainer rolling up, wetting, and tightly compressing some ordinary gauze to the point where it felt hard........

Either way, what they did was against the rules, but the latter violation of compressing the gauze would likely come with just a minor suspension of probably a year or less plus a fine.

The key is going to be what the inspector who signed off on Margarito's wrapped hand has to say......
That inspector will likely get permanantly fired no matter what they find was the substance used.

I'm going to hold my judgement on Margarito and his trainer until the full investigation is complete and see what both Margarito and his trainer have to say on the matter.

I'll tell you the truth, I'm rooting for it to be just rolled up compressed gauze in those wraps, to which if a trainer was rolling up a fighters hand and was allowed to get away with it by the inspector??????
In this situation one might not accuse the Margarito camp of criminal intent, it being just extra gauze......

.......but if it turns out to be some form of plaster in there??atsch:-(

I just find it so hard to believe that in that high a profile fight that the Margarito camp would risk getting caught with plaster.....this type of an offense is more suited for B level non-profile promotions where if the other side objected to the way a fighters wrapped his hands, the inspector could just tell the objecing side to go **** themselves, without suffering any consequences......

......and really think about it people, be honest with yourselves and just dont form hateful opinions based on Margarito having whipped or embarrased your favorite fighter in some way.......
.......If Margarito is found guilty of whatever.....how likely is it really that he did it in past fights??????

The Cotto fight was in Vegas where there is a different boxing commision all together.
How likely is it that both the California State athletic commission, and the Nevada commission were both on the take to benefit Margarito......because lets remember here now, these inspectors are signing off that Margarito is wrapped legit.
To accuse Margarito of past offenses is to say that he's got every commision in every state he's boxed in wrapped around his little finger.

......and really, if both those commissions were on the take, do you seriously think that its only the Margarito camp doing this?????

Let me tell you something.....if this is'nt the first time Margarito has seriously violated wrapping protocol, I got news for you..... these wrapping violations are running rampant out there.....and other high profile fighers and trainers are doing the same exact thing.

The finality of this whole mess, whether its plaster or plain compressed guaze as the finding........is that as a boxing fan, none of us are going to come out feeling good about the state of the sport and its corrupt shenanigans........because when you think about it, the California state athletic commision is leading the investigation.......there interest is to protect the integrity of their commission.....and how can they complete an unbiased review of the happenings if one or more of their own were in on the flagrancy????

These are serious accusations being bestowed upon Margarito.......for the sake and safety of past and future fighters, why in the hell has'nt the FBI overstepped the CSAC and taken over this whole investigation.

Boxing's higher ups....the ones that wear the coats, ties, and suits, all stink. They all freakin stink and I'm freakin mad about it.......

Where is freakin John McCain when boxing really needs him.......

These freaking investigations have to go to the federal level because boxing has freakin gone out of its freakin mind.

They want to lay the full blame on the fighters and trainers, but what needs to happen here is that these damn athletic commissions all need to be investigated at the federal level and taken down!!!!:twisted:

I'm freakin out of my mind mad that I got to get the **** out of here!!!!
:fire:fire:fire:fire:fire
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Divac that last line cracked me up man! :good:rofl

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