Margarito vs Mayweather

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  1. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have been thinking about this fight since the Cotto fight. I was rooting for Cotto before and told everyone that even though MArgarito would make it a tough fight for Cotto that his skill would be too much for Margarito. Boy was I wrong.
    Then thinking about a possible PBF-Margarito fight i thought PBF just was too good at what he does to be beaten by Margarito. Now I am not so sure.

    Please no stupid answers. Lets try to disect this fight and see how it would play out.

    Here is a few things that make me think of Margarito winning.

    -For 6 straight rounds Cotto was landing on Margarito at will with tremendous shots and Cotto is a serious puncher. As Lampley said it "he doesnt just beat you, he beats you up" I saw so many bombs land on Margarito that I thought he might actually get KOd in this fight. The thing is though he would take 2-5 shots just to land some of his beatifiul uppercuts. Now PBF is not a powder puff puncher like some here would make you think he is. He has power but its not at Cottos level. More like Luis Collazo level which is decent power but
    Is this enough power to keep Margarito straight? We all saw how he took Cottos bombs and just kept grinning and coming forward. I would have **** my pants if i was Cotto.

    -People talk about PBF's stamina but come on he throws about 30-40 punches a round. While he may land alot of them I still dont think they would have much effect against Margarito. Margarito now he has stamina. He can chase a guy around all fight and throw over a thousand punches no problem. Which is of course what he would be doing against PBF.

    -Margaritos power is underrated and I think PBFs chin is overrated. Correct me if im wrong but PBF has only been down once because of his hand right? People say that his chin must be very good. While i dont think its bad i just dont htink it has been tested enough. His defense is great so i dont think it has been tested yet. I dont think Margarito would be planning on going to PBFs chin but mostly to his body or coming upstairs with some uppercuts which are very hard to duck under.

    -PBF would be able to hit Margarito with any shot he wants. If he unloads with a big shot to Margaritos head due to maybe desperation that MArgarito will not back off then what about his brittle hands. A head is a very hard thing to punch. Whos to say that PBF would not hurt his hand on Margaritos face. Clottey did it. So why not PBF?

    -MArgarito will get sick of chasing PBF around and he could just rough him up to take PBF out of his game. The size difference will be very apparent here. Hatton could not do it becausee he was simply jsut too small. But Margarito is a very strong WW and I could see him throwing PBF down in a clinch out of frustration. Or just pushing him around at every clinch. PBF is a man and a man cant keep getting pushed withouth losing his cool.

    Now I would still put my money on PBF. But lets think the unthinkable and say Margarito pulls out the victory. What would that do for his legacy and what would it do for PBFs?

    Honestly guys lets be serious. No huggers just serious posters.
     
  2. JM22

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    Margo prove almost everyone here wrong and will do it one more time if this fight comes true but to bad pbf will NEVER fight him.
     
  3. Scar

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    If Margarito wins this would be HUGE for him, like literally HUGE, he couldn't ask for more than a win over Mayweather to be honest, especially with all the talk surrounding these two. Also this is a win that would look FAR better than one over DLH in the long run. Beat the #1 P4P fighter and one of the few greats of this era, he hit the jackpot and can't ask for more.

    For Mayweather it would hurt him, would hurt him REAL bad to be exact. With all the talk about Margarito in the past and till this day losing to Margarito is the last thing Floyd needs, it might just completely erase him off the picture to be honest, let's face it, it has been 3 years of talk about Margarito. Floyd could lose to Williams or Cotto and it won't be half as bad as losing to Margarito.
     
  4. smoochp

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    I agree with what you said. But then it will be the talk that Margo was not a natural WW and never beat anyone his on size. Then there will be talk that Floyd is not a natural WW.

    I think Floyd can outbox him. Margo is to slow and throws his punches to wide. Also Floyd has some of the best D ever which will make him hard to hit. But another thing people don't give Floyd credit for is his body work. Especially how he sets it up with the jab to the mid section. Honestly I think Margo will have a hard time figuring him out. But Floyd will have to be on his bike alot
     
  5. saul_ir34

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    Thats true. It would show that PBF was ducking him for a reason and it might make his stay at WW seem a little more planned out than what it looks like at the moment.

    Scar what strategy do you think PBF would use against Margarito??
     
  6. Scar

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    My prediction remains Floyd by UD, will be a good fight while it lasts but also one-sided at some points with a few exciting moments here and there with Margarito punching air and taunting him.

    About the excuses mentioned, there are excuses for everything but considering all the talk about these two it will take a VERY long time before any excuses start to flow all over.
     
  7. standing 8

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    Agreed. Margarito has make a big name for himself by calling out Mayweather in the past and a victory over Floyd would be icing on the cake for Tony.
     
  8. saul_ir34

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    At first i would always say. PBF will just outbox Margarito silly.
    Then i think about it though. Margarito just keeps coming through anyones punches. Cintron and Cotto are not light hitters. They are the two hardest hitters at WW. SO you know PBF wont dent him at all.
    PBF would have to run nearly the whole fight and at some point he is going to get caught in between the ropes and Margarito.
    Also not to mention what will the judges think when they see Margarito looking for the fight while PBF tries to get away from it as much as possible.

    And yes PBFs jab to the body is pretty damn good.
     
  9. mexican legend

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    Too bad we will never see this fight.
     
  10. Scar

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    Don't think he was ducking him to be honest, that's a total different subject of course but losing to Margarito will raise that subject and even though there are actual facts that prove it wrong, no one will bother to listen.

    The same strategy he knows best, keep the movement up and try his best to stay off the ropes, if he's forced into a corner throw a few quick punches and move out or just hold on and twist him. Just keep the fight in the middle of the ring, going to the ropes sometimes to counter and avoid what Margarito throws back could be easily done for Mayweather as well unlike Cotto considering how EXTREMELY slow Margarito really is. You can literally see those punches coming if you're someone in Mayweather's physical abilities, I know this might sound ridiculous but some moments during the fight this will be very similar to Mayweather vs Baldomir. Of course Margarito will land more than Baldomir but he won't land enough to secure enough rounds, according to my prediction and hope that Mayweather shows up the way I HOPE he will, Mayweather should easily secure at least 10 rounds in this fight. Also, one MAJOR disadvantage Margarito needs to work on if he wants to actually COMPETE with someone like Mayweather, he needs to learn to cut off the ring properly. Fighters that cut off the ring VERY well and FAR better than Margarito weren't able to catch Floyd enough or corner him well enough to land anything, so don't expect Margarito's walk straight stalk style to be any trouble for Mayweather to handle. What Mayweather needs here is STAMINA, that's the only thing he needs here and he secures a UD with his skills even if his speed proves to be fading.
     
  11. smoochp

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    When i seen Cotto vs Margo I even said I see why Floyd won't fight them. But everytime I end up watching him fight he just shows me why he is a great fighter. One thing is that Floyd never really had a hard time with tall fighters. IMO Cotto threw alot of punches Margo seen coming. Its the ones that you don't see that really hurt. Never boxed, so I don't know if that true
     
  12. Scar

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    80% of the time it's those punches that either hurt you or drop you.
     
  13. smoochp

    smoochp Da flyest1 Full Member

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    :good, thanks for the info and knowledge I learned from you and other I hade good convos with today. Got school in the morning, plus work, and family life. I will get back with yall. :hi: :lol:
     
  14. saul_ir34

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    Yes stamina is the key for PBF and everything you said is what he should do. But has Mayweather ever had anyone come at him and throw over a thousand punches at him?
    I mean you know that Margarito would be in top shape for this fight and willing to throw that many if not more. You also have to take into account that the judges will not be impressed by PBF "running" since he should not ever stand close to Margarito.
    The more i think about it the more i think that Margarito could outwork PBF for the UD. You say that PBF should throw a few quick punches and then get out or clinch but you know Margarito will keep coming forward all fight long even if PBF land every single punch he throws. So PBF is gonna have to throw alot more than what he normally throws while keep clinching with a bigger man and trying to move away from him as much as possible.

    I dont care who you are but that seems nearly impossible to do. The stamina needed for that would be hmmm... i dont know how to explain it. Your stamina has to be way way up there. I dont know man. I always saw this fight going to PBF but i dont know anymore. Just to be safe i would of course bet on PBF though.
     
  15. Scar

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    Later man and take care!, got to head to Uni myself so I'm out as well. :thumbsup