Margarito vs Ortiz @ a catchweight of 151. Who wins and how?

So being a punching bag with no defense, jab, speed, footwork, and maybe landing 6 clean punches on a man who is literally fighting in a lower weightclass = good performance?

Lest we for get, Ortiz is a natural welter now, and he actually has speed and agility. The Margo that fought Cotto and Cintron would win, but the one that fought Pac was and is a shot fighter. Mosley killed him, Pac just pissed on his grave.

 

I've seen it all now.

Hatton hurt floyd more with that jab in round 1. I suppose he nearly knocked floyd out right?

This was a welterweight fight were the man couldn't even make weight, came in over 5 pounds heavier than pac and still didn't have enough power to halt his attack.

Almost knocked him out lol, I suggest you actually watch the fight rather than post ridiculous **** like that.

 

LOL, anyone who fights Pac is built up as someone who is so dangerous that they can only lose to Pac, as Pac is the best fighter EVER. :rofl

Pac has had his great fights and victories for sure, but Margo was a sham fight because he had done nothing to warrant that fight, was caught cheating, which puts doubt on his previous ring accomplishments, had not won a significant fight in years, and was completely wiped out by Mosley in a fight where he looked like he didnt even know how to fight anymore.

But because Pac fought him, he must have been a hulking indestructible beast at the time.

 

atsch No. Some people just don't jump to conclusions like you do.

And BTW...NO ONE said the MArgo who fough PAc would destroy Floyd and the rest of those guys. That's just you being a idiot while thinking you made a valid point. :roll:

 

atsch Punishment that Shane took has absoltuley NOTHING to do with deciding whether Margarito is shot yet.

 

:deal Margo has proved **** since his handwrap scandal. I have no reason to believe his accumulative punches takes Ortiz heart.

 

did you saw the fight or just focused on pacquiao? margo was actually moving forward even if pacquiao is tagging him down. and at some point he made pac backed down. if ever margarito landed those shots on ortiz, it would be another maidana scenario all over again. and beleieve me he will land those on ortiz. margarito was nor credited enought in his effort in his fight against pacquiao because he lost. but it was because he is against the p4p best. if that was against ortiz, he would have run through him.

and there's a reason why most peple in the poll thinks margo still beats ortiz. if ortiz beats someone like clottey or cotto then get me back on this. i am not sold just because he beat berto, he could beat the likes of margo or even cotto.

 

Course I watched it, only a fool would miss a pac fight. I was pleased cos I wanted to see a one sided beatdown and that's what it was. Margo gets no credit because people rarely get credit from such a mismatch of a beating.

If margo had beaten anyone of note in 3 years I might agree with tied majority of the thread. Margo hasn't beaten anyone of note in 3 years tho hence I don't agree.

 

you don't need to beat anyone of note to beat ortiz. margo get's credit for fighting with ton's of heart and did not quit. yes it was a one-sided beatdown but not without a tought fight. aside from cotto, margo gave pacquiao his toughest fight in the last 3 years.

so what do you think would of happened if margo ahd landed those body shots on ortiz instead of pacquiao? you havent answered that question yet.

 

Even the POST PAC Marg PUNISHES Young Vic. I mean....PUNISH!!:!:

 

Based on what exactly?how do you figure that at all based on his last performances? Margarito's excellent defense? His foot work?,jab?, Speed?skills? Power??Margarito is a bum and hasnt won a meaninful fight since he was exposed as a cheater.He has no Power since his plaster was taken away. He is easy to hit and has no speed. He is finished because he can use his cheat pads anymore and his punch resistance has faded. He couldnt "destroy" that nobody he fought before Pac but now he punishes Ortiz?? Whats your logic? Please explain im just dying to know.

 

Based on track record. Berto was NEVER over hyped by me. He was a good prospect, decent title holder and very green. Ortiz was in the same boat. He had more question marks based on him quitting than Berto but he looked better with the added weight. So while I think ortiz is a good young titlist...he's unproven and has never been in there with an ELITE fighter.

Marg has..he's lost to them but he's always been competitive aside from his loss to Shane a couple of years back. He's a career long Welter where Ortiz has ONE fight. Marg has the experience, size, strength and power in his favor where Ortiz only has his youth.

Marg crushes Ortiz homie. I gurantee Ortiz steers clear of Tony and for good reason. Marg has never been a "boxer" he's always been a brawler, relentlessly attacking full tilt. he takes a good shot and he is willing to eat a few to land one.

We saw how ortiz folded when he was under that kind of relentless pressure in the Midana fight. Marg would hurt young Vic bro. Real talk. Styles make fights and having more phyiscal atvantages only help the bigger man.

 

Track record ??You ingnored the rest of the post. Margarito's whole record and any wins are in question!!! He's a proven cheater !!
His best win was against cotto a blown up 140lber like ortiz who was teeing off on him at will and I think people seem to forget the punishment Margarito took in that fight neither fighter was the same after it, and Cotto wins that fight if Margarito doesnt have loaded gloves. Get real man this cheater had his ass handed to him by a shot to **** mosley. FFS he had to cheat to beat Kermit Cintron the same guy who jumped outta the ring the first time Paul Williams hit him. Throw on top of that now he does not take a punch as good and seems even slower. He isnt winning **** unless he can load his gloves:deal

 

Marg's whole career may be in question.. and that's his fault. But the man did his time and is still fighting. Which means he's going to be on someone's radar... It just won't be Ortiz's.

Cotto is by far a better boxer than Ortiz...even now. Cotto cracks harder than ortiz and when Cotto fought Marg, Miguel was a solid 147 lbs fighter having fought NUMEROUS times at that weight. He was never a BIG Welter Weight but he was definitly a legit welter.

Marg lost to Shane but going in the contraversy had to be a MAJOR distraction. Not that Marg didn't deserve it...he was cheating. But the way he lost to Shane could be argued that Shane was on roids as he's an admitted cheat as well.

Paul has stated that he never believed Marg loaded his gloves b/c there was nothing he felt that was different than anyone else he fought. Kermit never had a chance with Marg, with or without the loaded gloves and Cotto would have lost too.

Styles make fights and Marg has that style to beat guys like Ortiz and a better version in Cotto. Marg is a very good fighter...but he's got a stigma attached to him b/c of the wraps. But don't get it twisted.....people know he's a dangerous fighter at 147.

 

Marg KOs Floyd, not sure if he KOs Ortiz though. But yea, he dominates him. :good