I honestly don't think if Margo was the Margo of old they would have taken this fight. Like Roach said "I saw your last two fights". With that said if Margo has anything left he can give Pac hell he's tough, has good stamina, good workrate is big and strong and can go to the body. I think Margo is going to show up to win he has a lot to prove his Mexican pride won't allow him to just lay down and if he losses he will go out on his shield trying his best.
If you really think Rockgloves can do it, 5-1 or 6-1 odds is good money. I'm of the believe that the oddsmakers have it right in this instance, but by all means if you think you see something....
What would Margo have lost? If anything he is fighting at a more comfortable weight and with something to prove, who knows what being caught with plaster right before his fight with Mosley did to his mindset. Margo is gonna be Margo, possibly the best ever as its his chance for redemption, but stylistically, Pac is ALL WRONG for him. Its as simple as that. You remember Pac saying he can beat Margo, straight after he beat DLH... If for any reason they took this fight, its because Margo has been shown to be beatable, not necessarily more beatable, just that he is beatable and not some unstoppable force previously perceived to be.
I agree, very good odds for betting on Margo but 5-1 odds is exactly right for this fight IMO. Margo has a chance on the premise that he can walk Pac down and his punches simply be too heavy for Pac. Also Margo is great at cutting the ring off, it helps that he is perceived to be massive in the ring by his opponents, a taller guy cutting you off always delivers so much more pressure. That said Margo's relentlessness relies on him breaking his opponent down, mentally and physically, I can't see anyone breaking Pac down mentally nor physically. Can you?
This is the thing. No matter how prepared Rockgloves comes in (and I believe he will be the most prepared of his career), Pacquiao is still absolute stylistic hell for him. Pacquiao is a sharp puncher with good stamina who moves well. In the words of Yoel Judah, Pacquiao will pop pop bang zip, move, zap zing bop, move again, and repeat process. He's not going to be a stationary target, which is the sort of fighter Rockgloves excels against. It's late in fights when a guy tires that Rockgloves comes on strong. Pacquiao can keep moving the entire fight, for as long as it goes. I also believe he can crack Rockgloves' chin inside twelve.
1. Yep, the value is there if anyone even has a slight suspicion that the upset might happen. 5-1, though, is right where the odds should be. It's a real longshot. 2. Rockgloves does very well once an opponent tires. The Cotto fight (even with loaded gloves), he showed that he can pursue a tired fighter who is in trouble. 3. I can't imagine Pacquiao breaking down. I also think that relentless pursuit will lead to Rockgloves taking straight lefts down the pipe repeatedly. I think it's more likely that he'll get stretched out before Pacquiao submits.
I like your post but Margarito is just on his 2nd wind is all. He's had time to recover from the massive punishment he's taken from PW,Cotto and Shane which is the only thing he has going for him as of right now. If you watch Cotto/Margo first 5 rounds, Cotto was very sucessful going in and out landing beautiful combinations on Margarito . It 'll be the same gameplan Roach will have Manny employ but Manny has the power and stamina to make it sucessful . Margarito is getting KO'ed. Manny has always been distracted. It won't make much of a difference against yet another fighter who isn't at their best and at the "declining" end of their significant career.
What would have have lost? Guys with Margo's style are usually done by 29 or 30. He's been in a lot of wars and taken a lot of punishment. His style relies on him being able to walk through shots and get to the body if his punch resistence isn't what it once was he has no chance.
are you overrating pac or underrating margo or both? not an easy fight imo. margo will be a live opponent and size will matter. unlike oscar, the catchweight of 151 will not drain him. he's been training like a mad dog. pac has to be 100% ready come fight night.
Also, I fully expect Manny to dominate Margarito when he's on the offensive, constantly moving, using footwork, angles, speed etc. Margarito knows this. He knows he's going to get hit with punches he cant see over and over again. He's prepared for this mentally (long training camp, huge chip on his shoulder). He's prepared for this physically (150 lbs is perfect weight for him and he may have as much as a 15 lb weight advantage of pure strength on Manny come fight night). The question is...When Manny is done punching and takes breaks, how much damage can Margarito do to Pacquiao? I don't know. The size difference is significant. In Manny's last 4 fights, that has been the angle. This guy is too big for manny bla bla bla. However, on fight night, that turned out to not really be the case. None of his opponents had a signifcant size advantage, and more importantly none of his opponents knew how to use their size advantage. Margarito WILL have a significant size advantage and he WILL know how to use this size advantage. How this advantage plays out in the fight remains to be seen. Also, of Pacquiao's last 4 opponents whom he has dominated on a big world wide stage, Miguel Cotto was the only 'game' fighter coming into the fight. De La Hoya, Hatton, and Clottey lost before they ever stepped in the ring, I truly believe that. And Manny broke Cotto around the 5th round. Quote me on this, Antonio Margarito won't break. Not on November 13th. A lot of rambling by me...Really excited to see how this fight plays out the more I think about it.
haha. I'll probably put a lot of money on margarito. Dont worry about that. I'm just trying to disect the fight from all angles, maybe esb isn't the best place for that. And I'm not 'so sure he can do it'. I think Manny is a clear favorite.