Margaritos wraps

no, he didnt. deconstructing it is a waste of time when anyone interested in the truth already knows it. whats left is feelings over favorite fighterers getting beat, and claims that margo would somehow beat their favorite, which he could never do cause hes nothing without loaded gloves....what actually happened be damned.

 

If you don't think he put forth evidence then say why you don't feel it's evidence instead of just lashing out. I'm not picking sides here but your clearly the one arguing from an emotional place. You've offered no counters to any of the evidence he laid out. You just making a firm choice not to believe it's actual evidence without explaining why you feel that way is weak

 

ive litigated the same points many times here, nothing covered here is new. just take a look at who ignores what points and why, and it becomes clear why facts dont matter to those still stuck on the feelings margo stirs up inside em.

 

after some consideration, i think im at fault. i should at least offer some direction to the debate, if im going to be critical about where its at.
I will just offer some points off the top about what where i think the evidence against margo falls apart.
none of the sides involved, and there were numerous, can agree about what was actually in the gloves, the consistency of the pads, or the sequence of events. a state of the art laboratory could not determine the difference between sweat and plaster. loading of gloves, regardless of method, is a criminal offence and therefore the commission would be duty bound to turn the investigation over to law enforcement if they suspected it occurred.
now taking those points into account, you can see why each party behaved like they did, and why margo was not only not charged, but was allowed to fight again after a let it blow over period.

 

How this one still has legs is beyond me.

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thank you. like i said, all this has been done before with only hurt feelings remaining.

 

Very good post

 

Yea the CSAC pulled his licence PURELY based on Richardson's lies about plaster blocks. No one has ever asked " What happened to those blocks' I did to both CSAC & Richardson & neither would give me any answer.
The end of story is .... What was discovered in Margarito's wraps were HARMLESS to his opponent & at worst a technical offense when a used pad & not a new pad had been fitted. Richardson's complaints started with
the way tape was used when that failed he claimed the pads were hard.
ONLY Dean Lofthois agreed with him. The CSAC Insp had watched the wrapping ,passed & signed off on the wraps BEFORE Richardsons debacle
Why wasnt he called to give evidence ???? Stinks like a fish market

 

The idea that my points are rooted in "feelings" over my favorite fighters getting beat by Margarito is downright laughable. I was never a particularly a fan of Cotto or any of the fighters Margarito beat. I've never engaged the idea that Margarito would have beaten a fighter in a fantasy fight and claim he never could because he had loaded gloves. Now some people may have made those kind of points, and for good reason, but that's not something I ever had any reason to do. I have no dog in this race whatsoever, and frankly, if anyone is being led by "feelings" it's Margarito defenders who cannot bring themselves to admit that he had loaded gloves, and will do anything to try and spin or debunk the evidence and testimony against him to make it seem like it was all a big nothing burger. Frankly, that's a result of having feelings for Margarito and struggling with the fact that they support and in many cases continues to support and defend a disgraceful cheater, out of pure unmitigated fanboyish feelings for him, evidence and testimony be damned.

Facts do matter, the fact is that Capetillo admitted he cheated, accidently as he claims but still cheated none the less by putting in hardened, used training wraps with *possibly* plaster inserts in them that according to him he used for his fighters in training to protect their hands.

To the extent that Margarito knew about it, which is hard to believe he didn't, is something that's open to interpretation, but the fact is that he clearly had loaded wraps the night of the Mosley fight and to deny that he did and believe that it was all just a big nothing burger is frankly hard to fathom. That doesn't mean there weren't inconsisencies or areas to speculate about, which is precisely what this topic is for. To look into and discuss any issues you may have with what happened. I can only speak for myself, in that I have no emotional attachment for or against Margarito whatsoever. I was never a fan of him, I never hated him. I never rooted against him or for him. He never beat any of my favorite fighters.

I'm just looking at it from a standpoint of what the commisson found and what the ruling was and why his and his trainers license was revoked. They obvously had good reason to revoke their licenses and suspended them. Capetillo issued a sincere apology claiming his mistake was innocent yet clearly admitting that he made a big mistake. He even conceded that he should have been suspended. That alone makes the idea that he didn't cheat or that he or Margarito were railroaded patently absurd.

 

Thats all Ive ever wanted That the TRUTH be told about what happened & it certainly hasnt. Many people from both camps handled those pads before they were sealed anything could have been transferred

 

Richardson, Mosley's doctor, Dean Lohuis, Mike Bray, and Che Guevara all agree that the pads were used and harder than a normal wrap. While Che Guevara didn't apparently testify to seeing a plaster-like substance on the pad / inserts, but both Dean Lohuis and Mike Bray did. Guevara may not have because he was the first inspector who initially missed the used pad being slipped into the wrap in the first place.

Please specify where any of the parties involved disagreed on the consistency of the pads or the sequence of events. Who's sequence of events was different than Richardson's or anyone elses? Please be specific.

They found the ingredients of plaster of paris powder in the wrap. These ingredients just so happen to also exist in human sweat apparently. This doesn't mean they couldn't determine the difference between sweat and plaster, only that the ingredients are apparently found in both. Sweat and plaster are fundamentally different, and when looking at the picture of the gauze under a 6x microscope, it sure looks like a thick plaster-like substance was in between the interlacing threads of the gauze rather than just human sweat. I wouldn't expect sweat alone to look or be that thick. At the end of the day Margarito defenders will forever argue that plaster and sweat have the same ingredients so it couldn't have been plaster. This in my view is an attempt to dumb down and misinterpret the lab's findings. It's like a drunk driver saying that he wasn't drunk because the alcohol on his breath was found to have H2O in it so it was really water.

They and the courts have discretion to determine whether or not a criminal trial was warranted. As far as I know, they never determined beyond a reasonable doubt that the loading of gloves was intentional. I think a trial could have happened, but due to Capetillo owning it, taking full responsibility for what happened, while claiming it was merely an innocent mistake had a lot to do with it not going to a criminal trial. Also the pads were caught before any damage took place that night. These are all factors in my estimation as to why a criminal trial never took place.

Plausible deniability, inability to prove intent, inability to prove that Margarito knew about it, catching them before Margarito was able to use them in a bout under their jurisdiction, Capetillo taking full responsibility for what happened while claiming it was an innocent mistake, etc all played a role in why Margarito was eventually able to fight again.

 

i told you, i dont read your long posts, i know the end results of a debate with you already. i know how you get your warped perspectives, and i know you will never see it. there is never any payoff. truth will not advance one bit.

 

Where are the bricks not just the used pads

 

OK can you just address one part of what you said? You said all parties involved disagreed on the consistency of the pads and the sequence of events. Who's sequence of events was different than Richardson's or anyone elses?