Marguez should be above Floyd in P4P ranking

pacs lost and been knocked out floyd hasn't

pac arguably lost twice to Marquez floyd toyed with him like a little baby!!

come on man I know pacs a nice guy, hero congressman and all that **** but don't get it confused!! beating on a few weight drained hasbeens doesn't make you numero uno!!

 

Stupid thread

 

Size did come into account in this fight but Floyd's skill came into it just as much.

I can't stand this whole big debate about size, if your ranked p4p top 10 you should be able to perform against bigger fighters. Isn't that the reason for this whole pound for pound list?

Both Floyd and Pac have shown they can still perform moving up through the weightclasses and fighting bigger men.

Face it Marquez is not in the same league as Mayweather skill wise. Period.

 

Hell No!! Floyd would have beaten Marquez at any weight. Why is it that Floyd was to big to fight him at WW, but Pacquio demanding he to come up to WW is okay? You new boxing fans don't know Sh*t. You all talk just to hear yourself!!

 

bull****.

I kid you not man I would pick Berto to beat Marquez at 147, easily.

Does that mean I think Marquez is not in the same league as Berto skillwise? OF COURSE NOT.

If you're a bigger guy who likes to box on the outside, it's EASY to box a guy who is so small that he stops dead in his tracks every time flick a jab at him. It's alot harder to box a guy who is able to take one to give one and against whom you have to commit to your punches if you want to keep him off you.

This is basic comprehension of styles.

You guys always think "well it's not like Floyd was agressive against Marquez, so his size didn't help" but what you fail to realise is that his size prevented Marquez from boxing his style against Floyd. He couldn't commit to his agressive combinations because just a little jab would throw him off completely and leave him open.

If Marquez wasn't in the same league skillwise as Mayweather, Mayweather would've knocked his ass out. He played it safe over 12 rounds for a reason.

 

LOL. Apparently Floyd would have beaten Marquez at any weight, so it's ok for Floyd to fight Marquez at 147

Meanwhile, Pac has to go down to 140 to fight Marquez or he's being a cherrypicker.

more bull****.

 

nice guy, mean guy, doesn't matter when it comes to ability in the ring. Pacquiao has proven he has more than Floyd, and all your excuses for Pac's victories won't change that.

you're just another fleeting boxing fan who thinks a loss on your record is the end of the world. it isn't.

 

You can't stand this whole big debate about size because common sense dictates that in terms of styles the following is typically true:

If you have a reach disadvantage you attempt to work close to get inside their arms and neutralize their effectiveness and get in your shots.

If you have a weight/power disadvantage you attempt to work outside to neutralize their power, keep them moving and at the end of your punches.

What if you have a reach/weight/power disadvantage? Well then you are Marquez against Mayweather and basically screwed because outside of out-timing an A level counter-puncher like Mayweather you don't have many options.

This doesn't even touch on the fact that they are both counter-punchers which puts Marquez in even deeper water as forcing a slug-fest, a decidedly bad option anyway, is something counter intuitive to his preferred style.

Everyone knew Marquez had 0% chance in this fight because on top of fighting an elite level technician (like himself) he had every physical disadvantage in the book. This isn't about taking anything away from Mayweather it is about seeing things for what they are and in this case it was mostly a quick tune-up/money grab disguised as a boxing match.

People have many interpretations of what P4P lists are for (I'd say mostly to appease people who have a burning desire to rank everything) but I think the general premise is not that P4P people are better at climbing weight but rather if nobody had to climb weight they'd stand above the rest in terms of boxing prowess and athletic ability.

 

he's just proven he's got heart
his face gets battered in every fight
mayweathers supreme defensive skill means he is hardly touched in the ring

ability wise there's none better than pbf in the modern era

 

This would have been the same fight if they had fought at 140 they are both counter puncher but floyd's D and speed are head and shoulder above Marquze ..
Anyone that says size was the difference in the fight ether know nothing about boxing or just looking for an excuse to Knock floyd..

As far as Floyd should have been able to KO marquez is bull **** .. He fought twice and Pac failed twice to turn out his lights. Marquez is a smart fight and he showed in his last fight, if you press a real good counter puncher (which he is) he will make you pay, and he has shown that skill on more then one occasion against elite fighters.

so don't let that floyd didn't KO marquez be your excuse of stating the floyd should have KO the smaller man, or weight was the reason..

A lil history Marvin Hagler failed to KO a smaller roberto duran, which had nothing to do with Marvin punching power but more of contrasting styles..

 

more bull****. Pac is better than PBF which is demonstrated by his resume. So was Roy Jones.

 

at any weight, marquez would still loose to floyd. floyd is just the better boxer and weight really has no or little impact on their matchup. its just marquez style, easy readable by floyd.

for the p4p ranking, still floyd is above even though he is still on "VACATION"

 

I can get with this. Floyd beat an old Mosley this year, that's it. He shouldn't be #2. Marquez and Martinez have acheived more and been more active.

One side note, circumcision is a sex crime and shouldn't be performed on unconcenting infants. Inform yourself, the info is out there...

 

To my next point kids.... Don't smoke crack.