Who takes this battle of the powerful wrestlers? Coleman dominated early MMA but then came up short in the long matchups against Smith and Williams gassing out both times. He lost a close fight with Rizzo that could have gone his way in another fight. The rejuvenation of Coleman saw him improve his cardio and take the first ever Pride Grand Prix beating the best HW to date in Vovanchyn. He obviously came up short against Nog, Fedor and Cro Cop but no one else could beat him at the time. The we have Lesnar who took the sport by storm with dominant victories over Couture, Carwin, Mir and Herring. He also came up short against superior opposition in Cain and Reem. In this battle of two wrestlers who tried to overwhelm their opponents, who comes out on top?
Couture and Heath were ancient. He's 1-1 with Mir whom I've always thought was a bit overrated and Carwin nearly beat him to a pulp before gassing spectacularly. I'll go with Coleman, who also had his weaknesses but who I think was legit and had heart. Disclaimer: I don't really like Kock Chestnar at all, so take this with a pinch of salt. PS: Why would anybody like Brock? What a distasteful individual.
I'm a big admirer of Mir tbh. I do also believe Coleman is legit though, once he began training his cardio he was a beast and only lost to the best HW fighters in history. Lesnar looked good in his prime and as ancient as Mir and Couture were they were still the top 2 HW fighters when he beat them. But his career was so short i don't think i can rank him above the greats of yesteryear.
There's one big problem with Lesnar, and that is: he's fundamentally a bully at heart. He managed to scrape the win vs Carwin, but I think Shane broke his heart. He doesn't like getting hit at all, and I'm guessing that this would extend to the adversity that Coleman would put him through too. I think Coleman in his prime > Lesnar.
I truly believe the way rounds are 5x5 now Coleman would never have the issues he used to when having 30 minutes for one round. Coleman proves his greatness in the octagon and the ring. He showed how Wrestling had moved beyond what Severn and Frye were capable of. Kerr received all the praise at the time but he didn't face as tough a gauntlet of men that Coleman did neither in the tournaments or in the big fights. Would Coleman have beaten Mir, Carwin and Couture? I don't know. Would Lesnar have beaten Severn, Frye, Goodridge and Vovanchyn? Maybe. For me when you look at the fight plan, Coleman is better standing than Lesnar i don't think anyone would question that. Neither are comfortable on their back (which wrestler is?) Both are immensely strong. Both can take down a tree. Lesnar is more agile than Coleman bit Coleman has seen more and has more experience. If either of those two are going to reverse a takedown and lay on the g&p it's Coleman for me. Tbh i can see Lesnar shooting immediately, Coleman sprawling and striking then gaining dominance and forcing an early stoppage. Coleman was the real deal and his losses need looking at in context.
Look at the little baby punches Lesnar was hitting Hunt with. Its been a while but I seem to remember Frank Mir being hit with what appeared to be fake punches in both fights
I think Lesnar was in danger of losing to Couture down the stretch if he didn't get him out there when he did. Rewatched the fight recently and Couture was doing a lot better than I remember. Was doing a good job at not being completely dominated and bullied by the much bigger Lesnar, and was probably outboxing the much bigger man. Had it gone another round there's a good chance Couture would have come on stronger in the championship rounds and stopped a badly fatigued Lesnar. Anyways... Coleman and Couture have a great chance of beating Lesnar at their very best.
Coleman all day. I've stated on here before that he's basically a better version of Lesnar. He'd take Lesnar down and beat a hole in his head. Lesnar was an average college level wrestler who needed 3 overtimes to beat a guy he outweighed by 50 pounds. Coleman was an international level wrestler, whole different level.
Lesnar wins and wins big,hes a much more explosive guy in all areas and hes harder to submit which shows hes overly stronger than Coleman...it comes down to fight Iq ,Lesnar is also trained in jui jitsu and wasnt stuck on one way stubborn thinking like Coleman which made him limited ...hence losing to Ken Shamrock students and leaving the UFC. Lesnar walks through him and defeats a lesser ( CAGE )grappler in the fight game than Couture. Lesnar is the strongest wrestler to step in the octagon ,he would shut down coleman in similar fashion the way coleman shut down Dan severn. If the match were actually even you would have to use the Hunt /Lesnar bc Coleman was roided out of his mind when peds were not tested for back in the day. Those using Carwin also have to remember Carwin was also roided and he softened up Lesnar with punches on the feet,he was decent at striking...Coleman was terrible at striking,so lets not make it out like hes a a versatile guy. this is a clash of two elite wrestlers ,ones just smarter and more difficult to deal with.... lesnar pounds him out 1st round ,dont go to the kitchen.
When Lesnar goes to the steakhouse he orders a Horse Steroid Steak and washes it down with PED Lite beer. Dessert is clomiphene creme with a slice of HGH cake He was actually bust ordering crap through the mail under his own name Yeah, he's a real ball of fire upstairs
Force Lesnar to have 30 minute or 15 minute rounds and we'll see how he does down the stretch. Coleman dominated both Smith and Williams until gassing, something which wouldn't happen in a modern setting because rounds are only 5 minutes longer. In fact he proved against Rizzo, a superior striker to both of those, that he could fight 15 hard minutes without gassing. How do you work out Lesnar is harder to submit? Coleman got submitted by Nog, the Fedor losses were past his prime. Lesnar got submitted by Mir. Both only lost by submission to the best BJJ fighters in HW history. Coleman isn't a great striker but enough to bust Lesnar up. Saying Lesnar isn't one dimensional is mental. Coleman proved to be far more effective.
