Mark Kaylor v Errol Christie (November 1985)

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  1. Unforgiven

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    This gets mentioned from time to time, but it deserves its own thread.
    Great fight from 1985, two young British middleweights. I remember this being big news at the time, a real grudge fight.

    These were the good old days when a fight like this was billed for what it was. An eliminator for the British title. And that meant something.
    These days they'd put it on pay-per-view for £20 or more, and stick a world title tag on it, or call it the 'Silver belt world title' or some other crap. It didn't need that **** back in the day, and there were several good British middleweights back then, and ONE WORLD CHAMPION at the weight (the Marvelous one himself, of course).

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  2. McGrain

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    Ah, when was the last time we had a fight where all the exits were guarded by police officers? Softcocks these days.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Interestingly, this was actually far more racially charged than anything we've had since so far as boxing goes. Given the way people talk you would think things were much worse rather than much better.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Aye, but that was before the internet.
    Everything's "worse" now because all these words on the screen says it so ....
     
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  5. BlackCloud

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    Remember it well.
    Tbh, I can't remember anything in the years prior where there was such bad feeling between 2 British fighters.
    Anyone care to correct me on that as I am genuinely curious.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    At the time Herol Graham was British champion at 160 and world ranked and in his prime. Tony Sibson was still hanging around the the world rankings. Kaylor and Christie making up a good crop of British middleweights.
     
  7. Noel857

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    Remember really well Tony Sibson predicting a Kaylor win.Got on at a good price and loved Mark ever since.But make no mistake Christie was a very talented fighter
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    Yes, he was. Bit shaky in the chin department but very capable boxer. He actually came back from this defeat quite well, with a very good performance about a year later against Sean Mannion, but then got beat up against Charles Boston, a southpaw who was much better than his 12-3 record suggested. Christie kind of went downhill from there.

    Whoever was picking Christie's opponents in those days was coming up with some strange ones. November 1987, they have him in with Jose Quinones, who was a raw fighter with 21-8-2 record, but had sparked out iron-chinned Doug Dewitt a couple of fights earlier. I remember seeing that one on BBC as well, on a Saturday afternoon if I remember rightly. Of course, Christie was knocked out in that one too.

    Boston, Quinones, those kinds of journeymen types were high-risk, low reward.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember reading about this in Boxing News back in the day and was so intrigued what happened before the fight. About a year ago I finally got a chance to watch this and this is what I wrote:

    Just watched a great old grudge match. From the mid '80s Mark Kaylor v Errol Christie. Real bad blood between these two that boiled over at a press conference before the fight resulting in a hearing by the BBBC. Don't recall the outcome of the hearing - possibly a fine - but the end result was a great fight. I don't like scoring a fight outside the scoring process being used, so I'm going to assume 10-9 1/2 point margins for winner and loser of a round under British scoring at the time.

    Round 1: Even (both fighters score knockdowns)
    Round 2: Christie
    Round 3: Christie (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: Kaylor
    Round 5: Kaylor
    Round 6: Kaylor
    Round 7: Christie
    Round 8: Kaylor drops Christie, who doesn't make it up in time

    Total (after 7 completed rounds) 68 1/2 - 68 Christie

    Despite Christie's slight lead after 7, one can see Kaylor's massive strength in clinches just taking over, although Christie's shots were still dangerous. But Kaylor wasn't fighting in spurts like Errol. He was fighting a steady war. An outstanding fight and the atmosphere had to be electric.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Good summary.
    It really is a tremendous fight. Very well-matched pair of fighters, giving it their all.
     
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  11. TBooze

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    A full on pre fight punch up, literally made this fight front page news!

    Kaylor may have won, but this was as good as it got, he never quite lived up to the hype despite quite a few chances, as he sold tickets. Graham had his way with him as Mark's reward for winning.

    Errol too, was just as frustrating, I remember still having hope when his shell fought Watson. He had more talent in his little finger than his brother, but sadly not his work effic.
     
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  12. Saad54

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    Neither ended up being world class.Kaylor had already failed on the world stage and he exposed Christie's weak chin in the his fight
     
  13. fists of fury

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    So why was there bad blood between these two? What started it?
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    Since he retired, Mark Kaylor has stated that it was a shame for him not to have a super-middleweight class at the time (the IBF had a title at the weight since 1984, I think, but almost everyone ignored it until the late '80s, early '90s). He was dead at 160 by the time he faced Graham in 1986 and then had to move to 175 where he did not fare so well.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    I'm not sure.

    Kaylor admits to having had a quick temper back then.

    I think the bad blood was felt on Christie's side due to the blatant racism of some of Kaylor's supporters. Kaylor was from Canning Town, east London, and there were a significant section of violent racists and hooligans in Canning Town in those days .
    I don't think Kaylor was of that type, and I don't think Christie ever said that he was either, but there were some nasty characters around who would make it racial.
     
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