Marquez and Mayweather are Both Counterpunchers, But the Similarities End There!

I was going to go in depth but you beat me to it. All the topics you touched on I find to be in accurate :good

 

Respectable ****ysis, but let me break it dowm further from you.

- While Marquez has more lateral movement than Floyd, he gets hit WAY more than Floyd. Its a different ball game when you swing and constantly miss your oppoent and get hitting wih quick, accurate counters.

- Mayweather;s clinch is highly effective. He actually is much physically stronger than most think (as said by sparring partners and oppoents). Pacquiao is easily frustrated. When things aren't goign his way, he gets more aggressive. Great for action for fans, but against thinkers llike Floyd, that will be a "counter party"

- Say what you want, but Floyd goes to war in the ring, but he does it when and long enough to make his point that he is not backing down. For example, the first Maidan fight he was letting them things go on Maidana numerous times during the fight, constantly snapping his head back. There is a reason Maidana slowed down. It wasn't just being heavier than normal. Floyds body shots are effective and very strategic.

In the Cotto fight, the whole fight was toe to toe for the most part and he battered Cotto. Yes he could have stopped him, but Floyd fights for wins, no need to go all out when you have the fight won (Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez) is a prime example of not fighting smart when you have the fight won.

-Combination Punching, I cant challenge that. JMM definitely is a better combination puncher.

- Another thing I want to point out is that Floyd's ability to use the whole ring. Based on your ****ysis, you know the sport well, so I am sure you can agree, that there is not one area of the ring in which FLoyd cant control. In addition to his generalship in the center of the ring, he has different strategies based upon where he is physically in the ring:

1. His shoulder roll counter off the ropes is precise (ask ODLH and Canelo) and will get you to back up quickly or he will effectively clinch (as noted above)

2. He has a clever way of backing bigger oppoents down, by cutting off the ring, approaching wih the high guard. This makes him very unpredictable. I honestly wish he would fight this way (high guard, walking down) more often.

3. When his oppoent feels like they are gaining momentum, hell use his legs to get back to the center of ring, and thats when he begins to use that stiff jab to the stomatch. It looks soft touched to the untrained eye, but they are accurately thrown and take the steam out of opponents little by little.

4. His inside game is the best in the business. Yeah as he get older he might get hit more than say 5 years ago, but you rarely see him hit inside at all, maybe minimally to the body. I remeber Chic landing a few here and there.

5. Another stance he uses that is underrated is the low arm stance. Basically hell stick his head out slightly but well have both of his arms below his waist. He does this when he has gained control of the round/fight to psychologically affect his opponent. While it may appear that it isn't that big of a deal, it is because of his reflexes. This is the position he uses to perform the counter pull. So it leaves oppoents puzzled.


All in all, Floyd is just that dude in the squared circle. Pacquiao is a beast no question. Anyone saying otherwsie are fooling themselves. But he just isn't smart enough to deal with Floyd. He has the athleticsm and somewhat stamina to bother FLoyd and can possibly produce a flash knockdown, based off his speed and akwardness (though I doubt it) . Ultimately though, Floyd is just too adaptive and skilled for anyone,, including Manny.

 

Nice breakdown.

 

Do you think he could beat Golovkin at 160?

 

Never saw that one coming.

 

Defense, size, and speed are the main, obvious differences. Sure, Floyd is favored to win, but truth is, you can't really just outbox Pacman, you have go to war with him to beat him too. Unlike Marquez, Pacman is going to go at him all night and sure, Floyd will land, but the question is can he do it all night with Pacman's hectic pace and like Rios describes, Manny's octopus style, with punches coming from every angle, will Floyd be able to de f end that? Can Floyd keep his distance throughout the entire fight? It's going to be really interesting seeing who's footwork comes out on top.

 

Pacquiao has amazing footwork.

 

I know right

 

You forgot to add that Floyd will run, something JMM doesn't do

 

Pacquiao doesn't do well against counter-punchers, period. He drops his hands when he punches, and tends to lunge. He also has poor balance.

And it's not just Marquez. Morales was able to beat Pacquiao in their first fight, as well. Pacquiao has ALWAYS struggled against counter-punchers.

 

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Floyd's combination punching may not be as renowned as JMM's, but when he does throw them, they're usually pretty effective. He fired off three combinations in succession against Ortiz, and had him wobbling after the second. And Oscar was kept pretty much at bay when Floyd threw in combination.

Just saying...

 

Honestly, with a rehydration clause, I think so. Here is why...

While GGG has a decent boxing skills with obvious KO power, he has certain flaws in which I believe FLoyd exposes:

- Though he cuts the ring off good, he is slow footed
- He doesn't have a steady jab to set up his offense
- He is too offensive minded to be weary of counters. Curtis Stevenson was giving him some good work in their fight, but he isn't that defensive minded either, so he ended up getting stopped.
- He appears to only be able to fight going forward
- We haven't seen him in championship rds (just becuase WIlder did it doesnt mean GGG can or cant for that matter, we just havent seen it)

In my opinion Floyd would fight him the way he did Canelo. No need to break it down, as I am sure we all have seen that fight. Floyd probaly is a little more cautios against GGG, but I see the same type of strategy. Of course this is just my thoughts.

 

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