Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

No but he stopped your hero in the 12th round:hi::rofl:rofl

 

Do you guys have to be such childish ******s ALL THE TIME?

What are you, 16? Grow up ya ****ing pansy.

 

atsch **** up..i was responding to his avatar ( cotto) who pac stopped since his a great finisher

 

No, a great finisher would have stopped him once he had him hurt, which Cotto was, several times early on. A great finisher wouldn't have to rely on the ref to stop him out of compassion late in the 12th.

And you were being a childish *****. You know it. :deal

 

Saw stars and came back to school that mofo.
He wasnt as wild and it was his best possible performance.

 

Floyd and Juan are different, this much we know. However what Juan did is not the reason I think Floyd beats Juan with ease. Pac has yet to show ability to judge distance properly. And when he goes do close the distance he either hops in range or over extends with shots. Pac creates most of the openings himself. What Juan does to Pac isnt complicated at all.

People forget the reach advantage floyd has over pac, its significant. The reach will allow Floyd to steal shots over the top on pac and Pac wont be able to do much about it. Pac doesnt have a jab and therefor doesnt have anything to close the distance with and not get hit on the way in.

Tazo I dont feel Floyd stepping back in straight lines sometimes will be a problem becuase pac only changes his punching angles on flat footed stationary targets. Pac attacks in straight lines when the target isnt standing there wanting to trade. What angles did Pac use against Juan?

He cant cut the ring off which forces him to attack in straight lines. Floyd will hit Pac on the way in and on the way out.

Pac better hope he can hurt Floyd( because he certainly didnt hurt Juan in November) because if not Floyd will force him to go backwards and once that happens, goodnight.

 

You got to be kidding us Tazo. That straight left by Pacquiao was weak. It was simply an arm punch. Thats what Pacquiao was relugated to scoring the whole night against Marquez.
Anytime Pacquiao tried to punch with authority, he was missing badly.
That type of an arm punch was the only types of punches Pacquiao was able to land on Marquez, which is why Pacquiao did'nt even as much as stun Marquez the entire fight.

Symphencyceo is absolutely correct. I had also mentioned it very early in this thread. Mayweather can afford to back up in straight lines against Pacquiao because of his reach advantage.
Mayweather pulls his head way back and he sticks his left hand out as a guage for incoming as he backs up.
The Klitchko bros. especiallly Vitali with his size and reach advantage use this defensive manuever to great effect.

As has been mentioned, Mayweather can change the angle as well, but against Pacquiao, imo he's not going to even have to that much.
If Mayweather pulls staight back as you expect he will against Pacquiao, there are two keys which why that type of strategy will benefit Mayweather.
1. His height and reach, I've expressed it with the Klitchko analogy.

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2. Mayweather is so damn quick. He is so much quicker than Pacquiao Tazo its not even funny.

Imo its not going to be much of a difference maker.
Mayweather is going to time and tag Pacquiao hard all night long whether he changes the angle or backs up in straight lines.
Mayweather is so much better technically and fundamentally guaging distance, he can pick and chose whether he pulls straight back or angles off. You can bet he's going to give Pacquiao a taste of both.

 

here some visual aid for anyone who needs it:

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Juan mainly uses his for checking or not allowing emmanuel in. He did it quite a few times in the 3rd fight.

Floyd likes to use his for checking and measuring. He's great at flicking the jab out to set punches off on and really uses this technique against southpaws.

Floyd has much longer arms than Juan and will have 3 inches in arm length over emmanuel when he's measuring and checking.

 

Marquez fought this Pacquiao without OSDT.

LMAO at *****s chalking it up as a "W" for Mayweather.

M'fer is SCARED.

 

How the **** do you go from this:

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To this:

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When have you ever seen Floyd land a counter like that? In fact that counter combination Marquez threw was more impressive than anything Floyd has ever done. He hit Pacquiao while he was in the air for **** sake.


I don't see anything in those Floyd gifs that would cause Pac trouble mainly because he's only throwing one punch at time, he's relatively stationary and Pac will jump all over him. As the thread starter has explained so elequently Marquez style is simply a tougher matchup then FLoyd's is. Floyd's defensive habits actually play into Pacquiao's hands.

He does have a reach advantage but he's so prone to fighting in the pocket that it won't make a big difference. He's not going to deter PAcquiao from coming in either by only throwing one punch , and not taking the risk of letting his hands go in the moments where he'll need to. He's goes stationary on defense too and that will give Pacquiao all the confidence and opportunity he needs to land punches.

 

Pacquiao would have the disadvantage in height, reach, skills like defense, counterpunching...all of this, against a boxer type, not a fighter. Floyd can basically shut Pacquiao out like if he is a Klitschko, just pot shot to a boring decision, and Manny can't do anything about it. Floyd can also fight Manny toe to toe if he wanted to, and still win. Manny only has one way to fight Floyd, and that's fight. Can Manny box against Floyd? No he can't. Can he outwork him with 1,000 punches? No he would be luck to even throw 500 against Floyd.

The thing is, Marquez boxed Pacquiao. That's why he looked so good, he stayed out of harms way and just outboxed Pacquiao. That's exactly what Floyd can do but even better.

 

divac broke it down pretty easily and simply with words that go perfectly with the pictures. This has nothing to do with throwing combos. Try to use your brain and understand what he's saying instead of being lazy.

 

^ ok first of all pulling straight back is an error in boxing and its not the right strategy against pacquiao. You want to move to laterally, not straight back. What do you think Floyd is going to do just jab jab, and bounce backward all night? He's going to have to plant his feet at some point, and he cant be moving backwards all time, he's gotta be offensive to. Pacquiao can let him come to him and Floyd tends to be aggressive against lefties anyway. Pac also has great feints which can get Floyd to lock up , and he does fall for them all the time.

Floyd is habituated to fighting in the pocket, hes not a distance fighter and never has been. His defensive style requires him to plant his feet, it makes him more of a pocket fighter, ala James Toney. I've never seen Floyd fight the type of fight that would best nullify pacquiao's style, the way Marquez does.