Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather was content to use his reach advantage and employ the jab.

    To get past that jab Marquez needed to bob and weave to find his way inside.
    Marquez attempted to do that at different points in the fight, even taking Mayweather to the ropes.
    ....but without a strenghth advantage and a capability to take a fighter to the ropes and keep him there, there was little a much smaller fighter like Marquez could do to combat the vast physical advantages in every category that Mayweather had.

    I've stated this before when people have stated that it was Mayweather's skill that beat Marquez and that the physical advantages did'nt come into play.
    On the outside Mayweather had a reach advantage to go along with his God given speed and quickness.
    .....and on the inside, Mayweather was much the physically strong fighter.

    What happens between these two if with the skillsets they have, its Marquez who holds the physical advantages?

    Does Mayweather beat Marquez with just his skillset if it were Marquez who held the height, reach, and physical strenghth advantage?


    Mayweather is skilled yes, but its absurd to say his physical advantages was'nt the key vs Marquez.

    Give Marquez the physical advantage and I say the fight plays out the other way around and even better for Marquez.
    Marquez ktfo Mayweather Jr. if he held physical advantages in some of the key areas Mayweather helf over him.
     
  2. Whipdatass

    Whipdatass Boxing Junkie banned

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    Floyd is greater than Marquez and Pacquiao. When did Marquez beat Pacquiao?
     
  3. Whipdatass

    Whipdatass Boxing Junkie banned

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    Mayweather beat Marquez because he was faster, and had a better defense. Height and reach played a big part in Floyd winning. Even if Marquez were bigger and stronger than Floyd when they fought, he'd beat Marquez. Floyd is the smarter fighter.
     
  4. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very nice post, very informative :good I bookmarked it :D
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Yes. Because Floyd is still more skilled and faster then Marquez by a comfortable margin.

    Mayweathers speed and reaction time is just far and away better then Marquez. There is a reason why Marquez has struggled with guys like Norwood, John and a faded Barrera. While he is technically elite, he is no where near the pure talent that Mayweather is. Even if Marquez had the physical advantages Mayweather had in the fight, Mayweather would still beat him because Mayweather is physically a special one in a lifetime fighter.

    These are just natural gifts, that Marquez doesnt possess. Mayweather skill is not common by an stretch of the imagination. Nothing to do with his reach or size.

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  6. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    U SEEM TO BE SUGGESTING THAT I'M "ONLY" A MAYWEATHER FAN AND I DONT WATCH THE SPORT-

    I PRACTICE AND WATCH THE SPORT USUALLY ON A DAILY BASIS MAN...

    I AM NOT SAYING HIS STYLE "MIMICS" JMM'S..IM SAYIN HE DOES A LOT OF WHAT JMM DOES, BUT BETTER AND FASTER.

    Please don't let your opinion of me on this forum cloud your view Divac:thumbsup

    Not a part time boxing fan-I know my ****-And I know styles.:deal:thumbsup
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think this nonsense statement is best left to be ignored.
     
  8. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude you haven't a clue, you post here but you haven't a clue.. One floyd has not had any issue keep his right foot outside any south paw he fought which is why is straight right is money every time he throws the shot .. Two when have you ever seen floyd use the same game plan on every fighter ? Point is he does not .. Any one that knows a fighter knowns, there minds set changes from fight to fight , so plan A you used on the previous fighter will more then likely not work on fighter B.. Second your trying to find mechanical flaws with a fighter that hardly makes any when it comes to his feet . and he has out maneuvered all south paws he has faced.

    The most import fact that every fighter should now as well as a true boxing fan.. Is that your not going to be the fastest , strongest , and hardest punching fighter in every fight, more time then not , your going to face someone who physical ability that exceed your own, when that happen you had better know how to deal with it.. Floyd has shown in his fights he knows how to deal with fighters who physical abilities exceeds his own.. Up until know Pac been placed with fighter who are slower then him self,, Marquez has also shown that he can deal with fighter that are stronger and faster himself and deal with the issue at hand , they are called thinking fighters .. again a fighter Pac has not been able to deal with very well ... so why your comparing physical ability you forgot about a lil thing called the Brian .. I have know doubt , floyd will out think pac regardless of what Physical ability you may think pac has.

    So if you think pac can still use is can goto, plan of a quick left step to the side on floyd ,, I really hope he does, so we can see that plan fall to the way side and see what pac does next, like I said floyd has shown to be a dynamic fighter during the heat of battle, pac has not ...

    so miss me with your long words of empty **** .. thank you.
     
  9. Whipdatass

    Whipdatass Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's the truth, but it was meant to be more of a shot towards Pacquiao fans, and the poster I responded to. Nothing personal. Beware though!
     
  10. Bogotazo

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    Buddy you don't address the arguments. If you're gonna claim I don't have a clue about boxing, come at me with more than "you forgot about a lil thing called the brain". Floyd's adjustments almost never include lateral movement that takes away the punching angle. He prefers figuring them out in straight lines, which for the likes of Ortiz and Judah works, but it's seen him lose rounds and look bad when given the tools he has, he shouldn't. He has one of the best brains ever but every fighter has habits, and his is neglecting lateral movement and restarting an offensive angle. If he could do this immediately, he wouldn't have lost consecutive rounds and gave up the center of the ring against a past-it DLH, or eaten straight lefts and gotten dropped by Judah in the first five rounds of their fight.

    Watch the first 5 rounds of the Judah fight. Even as Floyd cuts the ring off and chops down Judah's mobility with body work, he still finds his foot on the inside often and gets hit with left hands. Against someone with the foot-speed of Pacquiao, it's a liability to neglect the strategy.

    Prove to me he can turn laterally consistently within range to restart an offensive angle, otherwise don't talk **** about what I know. Boxing is more complicated than "so and so is smarter." The concept is not even that complicated or long winded. If Pac can get his foot outside with the faster feet, he will make the fight competitive. Considering he does that to nearly every opponent except for Marquez who moves in a manner Floyd neglects to, I don't see why I'd believe otherwise besides some fanboys talkin ****.
     
  11. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Honestly I dont see how Mayweather pulling straight back on Pacquiao is a problem. Morales had much success pulling back on Pacquiao and catching him with check hooks. Pacquiao's aggression is so wild and his arms so short, that Mayweather will be able to catch him time and time again like this. Even though Mayweathers favorite thing to do against a southpaw is land the right and duck to the right to avoid being countered by the left.
     
  12. Whipdatass

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    First off stfu with the I've been boxing for years. Nobody gives a **** if you boxed or not. You form an opinion on this forum just like any other poster here. This isn't a ****ing battle of the foot outside the other guys foot moron. Floyd and Marquez are night and day stylistically. Defensively, offensively Floyd is superior to Marquez. Floyd will stand right in front of Pacquiao, make him miss, and counter him. Floyd will Jab his forward by jabbing at Pacquiaos head and stomach waiting for Pacquiao to open up.
     
  13. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So based on your analysis, who do you think will win the fight?
     
  14. war4years

    war4years Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd likes to block right hooks with his face when he fights southpaws. that's why he hasn't fought pac.
     
  15. pit

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