Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    No, Floyd being a better boxer than Marquez is why Pac loses to Floyd you dumb****s
     
  2. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    because yes it does really explains why lol
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Bradley was able to evade Manny's punches, but not put forth any meaningful offense. Mosley did much of the same thing. Pac was still able to get his foot on the outside consistently and neutralize the angle for the right hand while setting up the angle for his own.

    Bradley is not nearly as good as Floyd, but showed much more movement than Floyd has shown in years. Unless Floyd somehow becomes a master at moving laterally in-range, Pacquiao getting lead foot positioning is a liability. That's pure boxing fundamentals.

    Really? An explanation would be nice. So far only a handful of people have been able to suggest technically that Floyd can have success without moving laterally and neutralizing Pac's punching angle like Marquez did, and none have convinced me he can replicate that game-plan after failing to adjust with a lot of lateral movement in several fights.

    Ah, of course, the better pure boxer always wins fights, what was I thinking? Styles specific to the fighters and lead foot positioning in a southpaw vs orthodox match don't matter at all.


    Did any of you even read the last post? Please don't continue to write analytically empty one-liners in this thread if you can't even engage the technical content laid out in the last post.
     
  4. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why do you only points out Floyd's flaws and Manny's strengths?
     
  5. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    From what I understand on lead foot positioning, I figured placing it on the outside on a mismatched stance matchup is important for positioning your power hand advantageously and disadvantageously for the opponent's? Why does Juan maneuver inside after stepping outward?
     
  6. Leon

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    He is a HUGE Juan fan. Wouldn't you want your favorite fighter to be able to do something that the greatest fighter of the era could not do? It makes your favorite fighter look genius.

    I'm not saying bogo is purposely doing it. It could be subconscious.

    Juan knew emmanuel can't throw short punches for **** and would therefore be in no position to counter with the left. Stepping in between emmanuel's arm length before moving out right provided a clear exit route as you can see.

    Besides, emmanuel fell for the feint bait and was focused on trying to land that counter hook. Trying to throw with the left hand wasn't even on his mind. We have the luxury of viewing gifs to our pleasure and thinking why didn't he do this or that. Fighters don't have the same privilege in the middle of the fight. This **** happens in a matter of seconds.
     
  7. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    I see Juan drew out the hook and shot the right as soon as he confirmed Pac was initiating the hook but had he not committed he could just as easily have thrown a left uppercut which is why I figured it be dangerous to go that way
     
  8. Leon

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    Here's where the brilliance of Juan came into play. I believe that maneuver we're talking about happened after a few rounds giving Juan a chance to study emmanuel. Juan being a thinking man's fighter had emmanuel figured out. He was probably already living, breathing, and eating how to whoop emmanuel's AZZ for the last 3 years.

    Once Juan had the code cracked, his feints treated emmanuel like a girl he could make cry on command. Juan knew what the reaction would be. He was right as emmanuel tried the counter hook many times.

    Beautiful technical master class from Juan. I had him giving emmanuel a thorough boxing lesson from rounds 2-10.
     
  9. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    I had it 7-5 myself, gave pac 2 of the rounds in that range on the difference in activity level but that's straying from the subject-

    so what you're saying is that it was fighter specific tweak so to speak. It's true I've never seen Pac really throw a counter uppercut, only when its part of the gameplan or in the middle of one of his combinations. But what I mean is in regards to the actual positioning, lets say it was Whitaker instead- he'd be right smack in range for the counter left
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    certain fighters can pull it off let me share this clip I found

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETi8f9c1324#t=2m41s

    Rigon sticks his left hand out as if he's measuring with it to set up a str8 but actually uses it as a feint bait. Kennedy falls for it and anticipates a str8 left coming, so he gets lead foot positioning and tries the right. Rigon knew Kennedy well enough by then and counters with a left upper.
     
  11. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    PAC has had 3 close fights with jmm and is about to fight him for the 4th time in 8 years gtfoh!!!!! Floyd shut out jmm after a 16 month layoff and made him look ameturish, PACs only weapon is a left hand. Mayweather would beat up PAC and make him look ameturish as well.

    The difference between mayweather and jmm is wide. Floyd is faster, bigger, stronger, more athletic, more accurate, taller, longer reach, better defense, better footwork and higher ring IQ. :patsch
     
  12. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    is there a link to the full fight? I missed this and had to go by the RBR because the people who bought the PPV wanted to watch the hockey game :tired

    and that's a really good example, shows that even on the outside there's vulnerabilities Rigo is definitely a class A fighter
     
  13. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    here you go, enjoy

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvv-0fJl1Q[/ame]
     
  14. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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  15. D Berns

    D Berns Well-Known Member Full Member

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    makes sense.

    styles makes fights. simple concept.

    toney losing to RJJ
    pascal beatin dawson