Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Am I alone in thinking Pac won 8 rounds and had his easiest of the three ?

 

Agreed! But I will say that Bradley did land some very good shots to the body and did alot more work landing upstairs that did Mosley (who just did nothing).

You say Pac set his foot on the outside to set up angles for himself, the only problem is that he himself landed very little hard clean shots himself.

Bradley I noticed could'nt go to his left and lead with his right while doing that.
When Bradley circled to his left away from Pacquiao's left, instead of gearing to throw right hands, he was firing his jab to attempt to set Pacquiao up for something more.
The problem is that Pacquiao is very versed at taking away the jab by parrinying it with his own right glove, but even then Bradely was able to sneak a few solid jabs past Pacquiao's guard.

So there you go my friend, Pacquiao got lead foot positioning on Bradley, but even then was'nt able to land a whole lot of substance against an inferior defense to Mayweather's.

Neither Bradley or Pacquiao were able to mount much of an effective offense on eachother. Certainly neither was consistent in landing clean effective shots.

 

All your points are correct, and theres' no need trying to convince people on ESB general which is made up of at least 50% trolls .

But as far as Pacquiao - Floyd match goes, it's as dead as dead as far as I'm concerned. Although stylistically the points you've made would still be a factor, PAcquiao has lost way too much speed and too much of what made him great in the first place to be able to beat Floyd now. Floyd is smart enough not to play to his strengths, although I'd agree his habits still might get him into some trouble, especially if he doesn't move his feet. But Pacquiao's loss of speed and relentlessness / dynamism is going to allow Floyd to see the punches coming easier now.

I always picked Pacquiao in that fight up until now. 2-3 years ago he would have battered Bradley and made it look easy, but if he can't shut out Bradley now then he isn't beating Floyd.

 

Great thread. The only fights I recall of Mayweather using a lot of latteral movement were vs Corrales and Hatton. He seems like he does'nt see the value of it.

When fighting southpaws he's happy to walk forward, pressure and clinch. While doing this has given opponents their moments early, hes very dominant past the halfway mark.

 

When the opponent is shorter the target is smaller, I can certainly see that. Mayweather is taller, but he's not as tall as DLH or Margarito who were easy stationary targets for Pacquiao.
Mayweather just is'nt stationary in that upright form.


Btw Tazo, the clown mods in this forum banned me the day of the Pac-Bradley fight. I was left out of the discussions.
How did you score Pac-Bradley?

 

To a lesser extent, Pacquiao-Bradley reminds me a little bit of the flow of the first Morales-Pacquiao fight. Morales was well ahead heading into the final few rounds and then he decides to experiment turning southpaw and part of it is that he was losing steam down the stretch anyways, but a fight that Morales had well in hand turned close on the scorecards because he practically gave away the last few rounds.

Pacquiao did'nt necesarily give away the last rounds to Bradley, but there seemed to be no urgency to the way he was fighting. It was almost like it was a sparring session to him.
I had Pacquiao up 6 rounds to 2 and one even through 9 rounds, but then Bradley imo outworks and outhustles Pacquiao the last 3 rounds, landing a little bit better cleaner punches, and when I tallied up my scorecard I was suprised to only have Pacquiao winning it by one point, 6 rounds to 5 and one even!
You should sit down and score it properly paying close attention to whats landing and whats not.
Dont take HBO's word that Pacquiao cant miss with the left hand, because he misses plenty with it, in fact Pacquiao rarely really lands it hard and clean.
You may find out that on a round by round scorecard, the right is closer than it feels.

 

Probably my favourite thread. From page 38 onwards.

 

Obviously because fighter a giving fighter b problems doesn't automatically make a win for fighter c.

Mayweather's high ring iq, defense and accuracy are the key reasons he'd beat Manny.

 

Cotto dropped mayweathers accuracy by a considerable margin and he hit him more than we are used to seeing may get hit.

 

Cotto has very underrated boxing skills. People forget he was an Olympian.

 

Well you must be one of those 7% thought Bradley won in HBO poll.

 

I said this a few years ago...

Pacquiao doesn't have the reach or the footwork to sustain those combinations. Pacquiao has incredibly fast feet, but he only uses them for offense. Floyd's gonna be in range with the right hand before Pacquiao can even get started. And if Floyd knows when he's gonna attack with his patented face first lunges, he'll land and leave before Pac can even retaliate.

Pacquiao's only chance has always been to throw till his arms fall off and pray that the judges are in a Calzaghe'esque kind of mood. He's definitely not going to crack him like mosley did. Because he doesn't have the reach to throw to Floyd's blind spot.

I agree with the OP that Floyd and Marquez are different types of counterpunchers. But to me it only means Floyd will win decisively. Because Marquez knows what all counterpunchers know... Timing negates speed. And Pacquiao telegraphs everything.