Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Mayweather would counter the living **** out of Pac by exploiting his wrecklessness... Mayweather would decimate Pac and probably cause permanent damage.

 

Great breakdown. The one thing I think is that Mayweather would be smart enough to be more mobile and lateral in a fight against Pac. I just think he would see what Marquez did and shift left to get out of position of Manny's left and set up his own shots. Mayweather does not generally fight this way, but I think Mayweather is so much rangier than both Marquez and Manny that he can employ some movement and just control Manny from a distance at this point in his career. At least control him well enough that it forces Manny to become a little more aggressive and potentially open for counters.

I almost think it is not controversial to suggest Marquez is a more dangerous counter-puncher. Not only does Marquez risk some to get in position to counter as often as he does, but he put everything into a lot of those shots. I don't think Mayweather has ever put that much into a shot in his entire boxing career. He's just not that kind of fighter. He's far more defensively-conscious-- more wide-stance to focus on using his speed, range, and reflexes. That element certainly works against him far more than it does with Marquez against Pac.

I think Pac is too foregone anyway. Mayweather would win a comfortable decision IMO. In 2009/2010 it's a closer one to call. Heck, Mike Tyson said he believes Pac would beat Floyd. And you are right Bogo, there are no wins by proxy. Hear that Floyd fans.

 

This was brief?!

Wish I still had the energy to do stuff like that ^^^ :verysad

 

too bad he's afraid to try. :good

 

What are Pac's real chances at beating Floyd? HOPING he can crack his defense? HOPING that Floyd won't keep tagging him with the lead right hand? HOPING Floyd won't counter his lazy ass jab? HOPING Floyd won't keep touching him with the jab to the body? Look, Pac is a great fighter and people like to root for the good guy over the d-bag, but as a person who just calls it like I see it with no allegiances to any active fighter, I can't see how Pac, a guy who will have ZERO physical advantages save punching power, can beat Floyd. I honestly think a lot of people are just hoping Pac is the guy to finally beat Mayweather officially. I see Mayweather winning pretty convincingly and not getting his due because manny is too little or had declined or whatever. Floyd is a better fighter than Manny, which is really hard for a lot of people to accept.

 

slow arse cotto beat the fug out of him for a whole round. pac would annilihate him

 

Silly. How many times has Floyd been tagged with the left? He made adjustments in the Judah fight and after round four wasn't touched by a left hand.

 

The main reason i see pac gets countered by Jaun is his poor judgement of distance. Its simply no reson for him to fall in the way he does that much. But he's always had a problem with this. Yes foot positioning hepls Juan land but how many times is pac falling into shots or overexteneding? He simply doesn't judge the distance well nor does he have an effect jab to close it better, the jab isnt even a range finder for pac (add to this his jab technique is horrible, hands low) its used to get rythm for the left. Pac closes with his feet, by feinting first. You get countered to hell by floyd if you dont use the jab to get close. Pac not being able to judge the distance properly and lack of jab is the reason he'd never have more than a punchers chance against floyd.

 

Okey the thing that gives Manny the most problems is a counterpuncher, right?

Mayweather is probably the best counterpuncher in the game right now and has been that since he started his career. Styles makes fight, Floyd is a bad fight for Manny styleisticly.

(I spell like a drunk but I hope I got the point across)

 

This is being overthought, bottom line is that Floyd is the bigger, stronger man. His ability to make adjustments is second to none, and there's nothing Manny is going to do that he will be able to do consistantly. Manny could land a left hand...but he won't land it consistantly, he may land a right hook...but he won't land it consistantly. Floyd is the better fighter on the outside, he's the better fighter on the inside, he's better defensively, he has a higher ring IQ, and their a wash in terms of athletic ability. Floyd will make Manny miss, he'll frustrate him, he'll get him off balance, then he'll bust his ****ing head open. Manny will then begin to hesitate and his work rate will drop tremendously, when he stops getting off first Floyd is going to start tagging him with lead right hands, and jabs to the body. When Manny then starts to anticipate when Floyd is going to throw, Floyd will then change his rhythm and begin catching Manny with serious counters until he breaks his spirit. I mean we've seen this pattern over and over and over and over...against fighters that are great fighters, champions, HOF's, ATG's, how many more times will you have to see it? Floyd could be beat, but he's not going to get beat by a smaller guy, who is so careless, and lacks the craft to draw Floyd into "his fight". Manny is awesome at mid range, and if allowed to operated in this range he would be a problem for anybody, in the particular fight...it ain't gonna happen. Floyd will not allow Manny to shuffle his feet and feint to mid range without paying a price. Manny will be backing out and resetting the majority of the fight, because Floyd will break his rhythm.

 

I don't see how the fact that Marquez is a different type of counter-puncher makes THAT much difference. Honestly, I think it's just people grasping at straws.

If anything, Floyd is the more precise counter-puncher, has the faster hands, better defense, and a longer reach.

Floyd wouldn't even have to fully engage Pacquiao to get off his right hand. And Pacquiao would have to lunge in to get off his left.

I've said this since 08: the only chance Pacquiao would have to beat Mayweather is to throw till his arms fall off. He fights way too open to win a boxing match.

 

His judgement is poor. Its allows him to go in and out on fighters who are much slower than he is or are not counter punchers. There is a reason he is off balance a lot sometimes from his own punches. Closing the distance with your feet gets you countered at a reach disadvantage. Plenty of time guys just back up and pac will throw himself off balance. Many times pac has to hop twice to get in range. If he judge it properly he wouldn't have to leave his feet at all. Matter fact if he had a jab he'd get there quicker imo. But he doesnt. He can get away with this if he is faster, which isnt the case versus floyd. Floyd will already be in range, pac has to get in range. What is pac going to do to close the distance? Out of range vs Juan is right at the end of the punch vs floyd. To get in range to deliver his punch he has to step through two hit zones of floyd's (long and mid) pac cant hit floyd from deep but floyd can hit manny from deep without being in manny's hit zone. And manny cant do anything with floyd on the inside because floyd is superior there.



The jab is very important, i think you are slepping on it when it comes to this fight. The jabs run into each other if both have a jab. Pac will have to catch that jab or parry it and even then he is out of range still. Bradley landed jabs with ease at times. Floyd can hit manny with it outside of manny's hit zone. At the very least throwing it makes manny reset and takes him out of rythm.

A lot of times versus Juan pac's first hop got him countered, he actually jumped in too close and got KO'd. He was close enough with the first hop before the KO but he didnt know it and jump another time right into the right hand.

Reach, timing, judgement of distance and speed gets manny beat here.

I understand what you are saying about feet positioning but that only comes into play when you arent at a such a big reach disadvantage or if you are a good amount faster thaan your opponent. Floyd can steal the shots on manny form outside. How does pac stop that?

 

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Just bc Pac is a sucker for counter punchers, doesn't mean he will be a sucker for Floyd's counter punching.

 

I didn't need to see Marquez putting Pacquiao to sleep to know Mayweather would beat him