Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

thats because hes too chicken to fight him

 

But he is not too chicken to fight JMM? Pac's daddy.

 

You think? Provide examples. And bull**** like Zab was too busy defending himself to throw a left (wtf?) isn't quite what I mean. And you said he ate lefts? When? What rounds? How many times? Go for it. Also provide further examples from other lefties he faced - surely they would've landed the left throughout if he didn't make adjustments.

 

Maybe i don't know boxing. But isnt it a fallacy to argue that marquez style is the only one that can take aprt pac man? I think your point that JMM and Mayweather are two diff types of counter puncher and you can't just say, since 1 counter punch won the other one will too.

But you seem to making a point for how Mayweathers style is one that lends itself to a Pac victory. Floyds ring knowledge, athleticism, professionalism and ability to adapt seem like the factors here.

Pac fought JMM 4 times and never learned to adapt... Isn't that a pretty big factor?

 

:deal

 

My opinion didn't change after watching JMM ko Pac. On Floyd's worse day it is 50/50. On Floyd good day he embrasses Pac. Pac makes too many mistakes and he leaves himself wide open. Most people cannot keep up with Pac, i won't knock on that, but anyone who thinks Floyd wouldn't be able to would be dreaming.

 

Memory serves you wrong. On the Judah fight and the Mitchell fight. If you can show me any significant left landed by Ortiz I'd love to see that too. Basically, you're full of it. Ran into repeated lefts? You sound silly. I don't want you to go off on your memory because obviously you're making it up. Prove it or please cut the bullsh*t.

 

Packie can't touch Mayweather and all the analysis one way or the other won't erase the fact. I could go into a long dialogue about why but it would be a waste of energy. If it happens ( which I don't think it will ) It would Packies second knockout loss.:bbb

 

Its not necessary that floyd will have to keep circling for his jab to be successful, the jab keeps pac in the deep hit zone and in turn out of manny's hit zone. It also makes him reset. He isnt closing the distance by stepping at the angle, he'll have to come straight in some sort of way or floyd will check hook him to death. Floyd's to quick off the draw for that. You arent going to keep hoping in on floyd and not start to eat counters consistently, too good of timing shots. Like i said pac is ALWAYS going to be in floyd's range no matter the distance because of reach, this results in getting stole on from outside. Pac has got to close it with a jab and since he doesnt have one he'll get countered. There is nothing to stop floyd from hitting him on the way in.


Saying pac will have success with hoping in means floyd cant make adjustments which we know is not true. What happens when pac cant just jump in? What's plan B?

If pac is good at judging the distance then why does he punch himself off balance so much? He shouldnt have to leave his feet to get close. Floyd sees shots very well so you need to blind him with the jab. Manny isnt going to be bouncing all around floyd while floyd stands there like a amatuer.

Floyd cirlces to the right vs south paws because he wants to, not because he has trouble lining up his feet. The ratio of his rights landed on southpaws compared to lefts landed on him is ridiculous. All this while his lead foot is inside.

 

Pacquiao ain't good at judging distance. Or that muthafukker woulda never ended up on the canvas like that. I dont even know where he got that bullsh*t from. I just read that first post and knew this dude was bugging.

 

OP is right.

Objective fans who know the sport didn't need the Marquez KO of Pacquiao to tell them anything. We already knew Pacquiao would get schooled by Mayweather. So in that sense, the OP is correct: this recent outcome doesn't change anything about their hypothetical matchup.

This is nothing new. People have been saying for years that Pacquiao would eat right hands while lunging in against Mayweather. We didn't need Marquez to tell us that.

I have never felt that Mayweather vs Pacquiao would even be competitive. Mayweather would whip Manny from ring post to ring post. This is also why most objective observers have said Arum would NEVER put his cash cow in against Mayweather. Arum knows Mayweather would put Pacquiao into the retirement home.

To quote Roger Mayweather: "Pacquiao ain't gon' beat my nephew jumping in with all that wild ****......" LOL

 

Mayweather I think would beat Manny comfortably at this stage. 2 years ago might have been a different story but I think Pacquiao's legs have gone in comparison with then.

I'm not sure if anyone else is saying this and I haven't read it on here but I think Pacquiao slowed down against Mosley and against Bradley and what people are not talking about is that he went for broke on Saturday because he didnt have the legs for 12 hard rounds against Marquez. (IMO anyway)

He put a lot into getting Marquez out of there early and it almost paid off such was the damage he inflicted, maybe another round or two and he could've managed to stop Marquez but I'd like people to consider that he "fell" into that punch because he was tiring.

I think his engine is gone and will only get worse now at the very top level.

I am not a fan of Mayweather but if he fought Manny now I think similar to Mayweather/Hatton we'd see Manny try and rush Floyd early only to eventually gas and get stopped.

I would like nothing better than Pacquiao to fight and KO Floyd but that ship sailed some time ago.

 

Credit to the thread starter...you are always a must read poster for analytical insights. Floyd gives Pacquiao absolute fits stylistically. He sets up and adjusts accordingly if he would want to move along backwards with his defensive posture...he can...if he wants to move forward in that posture he can...I know what I just typed is a simplistic statement...but it's true. Floyd is the most adaptable fighter today...Pacquiao will have major trouble finding Mayweather...imo.