Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

At 6:06, Mosley stopped his whole momentum with that quick jab downstairs, that's one of Floyd's signature punches as well. There were countless times where Floyd would have capitalized on Manny's tactical errors that Mosley simply couldn't capitalized. From that point on, i knew then that the fight wouldn't be as 50/50 as most experts anticipated it would be, and I still stand by that.

 

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At 1:39. He got Shane with the straight left, but he also got caught with by a short right counter punch by Shane after he lunged in almost as he did against JMM. He simply makes far too many tactical mistakes to beat a smarter fighter like Floyd. No fighter is unbeatable and one punch can change everything, but I'd take my chance with Floyd to win in a 12 rounds bout.

 

Pac is actually most dangerous while being backed up.

 

I agree. I think Floyd would be very respectful of his power and cautiously backing him down using his jab and feints. He wouldn't rush in all wild like Hatton did.

 

A jab to the body is not commonly used tool against southpaws. Floyd never throws that punch fighting southpaws. The angle is totally off.

Ditto for the 'check hook'. You don't throw a left hook the same way you would on a right-hander. The angle is backwards. Floyd's most effective punch on a leftie is his right hand.

 

It's very useful indeed. He use it too when he backs his opponents against the ropes to set up the straight right hand upstairs between the gloves/high guard. Out of all of his opponents, Cotto was the only one who didn't fall for it. He quickly got out as soon as he knew that Floyd had him against the ropes[It happened in one of those few rounds that Cotto won]

 

But Manny also would have faster feet than anyone Floyd has ever fought. I do think he'll get caught lunging in but he's fast enough to surprise FLoyd at times. We'll never know until fight happens if does.

Floyd could drop Pacquiao's punching output with his countering but Pacquiao could do the same except with aggression. Floyd used to be a boxer-puncher at his pre-147 days many forget that but of course those are long gone. He isn't capable of using that style anymore so that's null in a Pacq-Floyd potential fight. 2013 is the last year fight could be made but I'm not crossing fingers though I'll still watch.

Fair enough. Floyd would be the quickest guy Manny would fight and Manny would be the fastest guy Floyd has fought.

Fighting can still come to whoever makes the worse mistake then gets caught because of it. No matter who's more skilled or not.

Great breakdown as usual. Foot positioning does matter but Hopkins-Tarver proves you don't always have to have your foot on the inside as an orthodox fighter to still win. TBF, Pacquiao's a little better than Tarver and would be the shorter man so Hopkins-Tarver does not equal Pacquiao-Floyd or even Floyd-Judah. I do agree that aggressive counter-punching is the way to beat Manny but Manny's so open I'm not sure if it would be as big of a deal as its made. Again, we'll never know unless they fight.

Juan as Bogo said could bend down to about Manny's level and even a bit lower to confuse him. Floyd with his height advantage wouldn't be able to do that. Its also a question how he'd fend off Pacquiao fighting at a distance. Both Morales and JMM beat him with combinations which Floyd hasn't done consistently since his pre-WW does.

 

LMAO:rofl

Pac got put to :dead:dead:dead

 

lol@ showing Manny punching Margarito trying to implying he could do that vs Mayweather. This thread is a head scratcher. It sounds to be that people saying the slower, less powerful, less skilled, smaller, lower IQ, lesser defensive fighter, lesser counter puncher can bet Pac but the guy who carries all the #1 Attributes in boxing won't?

 

He didn't completely controlled it though. He caught Floyd a few times with the jab, but for the most part, Floyd had the best moments when they were in the center of the ring. If you meant that Cotto used his jab to trapped Floyd against the ropes, then, I'll agree with you on that.

 

You're not paying attention.

Floyd check hooked against Ortiz. The check hook was designed for countering and works best on aggressive opponents. Floyd's two biggest southpaw fights weren't against the aggressive breed. Zab tried the countering game, so Floyd pressured him. There was no reason to bust out the check hook.

manny is a recklessly aggressive fighter who is known for lunging. He has paid the price many times for lunging, and it nearly cost him his life the Saturday before last. Mayweather's reach combined with his jabbing will frustrate the hell out of manny and aggravate his lunging problem. The check hook would definitely come into play.

manny's squared up brawler stance presents an angle to jab his body. Marquez got him downstairs a few times with the jab. Floyd has one of the best jabs to the body of all time.

More importantly Mayweather has the option to throw the straight right at manny's body.

 

Of course not but but these *****s want to take all credit for it.JMM fought beat pac 3-4x were as in floyd was cautious to fight him once.Fought jmm straight from 135lb lightweight at agreed 144lb limit which floyd proposed then broke by 2lbs that plus re-hydrating on fight night(then declined being weighed).After fight JMM headed back down to 135 for 2 more fights.Post floyd,he now has 4+ comfortable fights at 140lb+ including 2 victorys over pac at welterweight.Duran beat leanord who beat hearns, but hearns KO'd duran.In other words Styles makes fights & 147lb 4 yrs younger than a 37 yr 135lb will always have the advantage.Doesn't prove anything other than you're able to beat smaller guy like you're suppose to.Marquez skill & traits didn't matter cause they were neutralized by huge weight disadvantage he had to overcome.You try being 37yr old climbing two divisions you never fought at before at fighting the #1 fighter in the world at his comfortable weight.Floyd knew Marquez had too much to overcome but likes bragging about beating 135lb fighter cause he was p4p,yet he makes excuses on why he shouldn't fight another 37 yr old Sergio because people all know he's too dangerous for that 0.Glad I'm not a floyd supporter anymore,one thing I can hang my head high on was never a ignorant ***** like 95% of his fan base that protects him & likes making constant excuses on why he shouldn't fight the best but still is the best & shouldn't ever be questioned .All have flaws & can be beat,this goes for every fighter no fighter is unbeatable.If you're undefeated just means you haven't fought anybody yet just great managing brainwashing/feeding hype machines for the fan bois that idolize them.Floyd wouldn't fight him forget KO him withing six like a real great fighter that takes risks.